THIS is the rose that got me ON HMF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And it was years ago, before I came active, before HMF became the truly amazing resource it is! I was living in West Palm Beach and bored one night and,amazingly, sort of feeling sorry for myself for living outside "rose comfort zone" climate wise (although planting tomatoes in JANUARY was sort of fun).....................nobody had it then, nobody has this one now, I grew it two summers, YEARS apart (1982 and 1991) and it did "fine" but was more yellow than "caramel" and I always wondered how it got the name.................the parents should have made this one a "slam dunk" but actually it is one that now I wonder how it even got released..............both years I grew it it winter killed and the winter of 82 was oddly warm in Ohio and the winter of 91 wasn't particularly cold...................if Soccoro doesn't have it now (per the garden list) then my bet is that this one is extinct, and I am very sappy, I endorse many for no reason other than sentiment, but yes.................this one got an intriguing (albeit outdated) name and was basically forgettable.................BUT! IT GOT ME ON HERE!