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'Rose Van Sian' rose Reviews & Comments
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This author cites Laffay as the breeder.
Pearson's Encyclopedia of Roses, (1956) pg. 172
Cardinal de Richelieu (R. gallica hybrid)
Rich velvety-purple blooms, large and with plenty of petals. Fragrant. Makes a strong, bushy plant. (Laffay, 1840.)
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3 days ago by
 jedmar
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Yes, 20th century authors state Laffay 1840, however, the earliest references from the 19th century attribute it to Parmentier. François Joyaux in "La Rose de France" also has Parmentier as the breeder. We have added this reference with the explanation of the error.
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14 SEP 21 by
Le_Not
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Available from - Fedco Trees
https://www.fedcoseeds.com/trees/roses
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'Cardinal de Richelieu' is NOT strongly fragrant. It is one of the least fragrant of old roses. You might also mention that it is triploid, which suggests that it is a cross between a China rose and a European rose, though it has several other characteristics which point to China blood (including the brilliance of the flowers' colour, the shape of the prickles, and the small, shiny leaves).
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20 MAY 17 by
Gdisaz10
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i agree no fragrance
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25 FEB 04 by
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I was told this will not bloom in zone 10. is that absolute truth?
thank you.
leslie
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23 AUG 03 by
Clara
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Possibly. Gallicas are pretty hardy plants and need cold winters. 'Cardinal de Richlieu' is sometimes classed as a Hybrid China. But the truth is, no one is quite sure of its bloodlines. I would think that Zone 10 would be on the hot side for this plant and so it probably won't do well there because of that.
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22 MAR 04 by
Anonymous-797
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I think it does bloom, but not too well. If you are in Southern California, visit the Huntington rose garden & library in Pasadena. They have an established plant of it there, as well as some other Gallicas. As a rule, most Gallicas need some chill to bloom well, but there's always the exception -- especially since CdR has possible China in its ancestry. I remember seeing CdR flowering there but having only one or two blossoms; which I attributed to being late in the season. They planted it to receive light shade in the afternoon, since desert sun burns/scorches dark colored roses to a crisp. Hope this helps. --- ML
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19 JUL 10 by
CynthiaH
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I am in So Cal, I believe I'm zone 9, sunset z19 and I used to grow CdR. It gets very hot where I live (like in the 100's for days on end). Yet, CdR did flower for me when the gardeners didn't prune in winter, which drove me nuts. They would always cut it just as buds were forming. Luckily it began to sucker after a few years and a few canes were able to hide from the pruners behind the thick drapes of giant white Lady Banks close by and so I would be surprised by the startlingly purple pompom between the ferny leaves of Lady Banks. I loved, loved this rose! What a treat. I am trying to grow it again and this time, no more gardeners! Note that where it used to grow faced west and got brutal afternoon sun but was always moist due a leaking sprinkler pipe underground.
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