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Discussion id : 119-409
most recent 29 FEB SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 15 DEC by Dewberry
Is it possible to breed from Dr. Huey?
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 15 DEC by Patricia Routley
Not as a rule. ‘Dr. Huey’ is a triploid which means it has 21 chromosomes. From the HelpMeFind GLOSSARY / HYBIDISING ROSES:
The genes of a rose, which make it what it is, are strung along its chromosomes, which occur in the plant cells of the rose in multiples of seven. Whether a rose is compatible -- i.e., capable of being crossed with another to produce useful seed -- depends on its having a number of chromosomes to match those of its partner without odd ones being left over.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 15 DEC by Dewberry
Thank you very much!

How would one know when there was an exception to the rule?

Could a triploid breed with a triploid?
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 15 DEC by Patricia Routley
I am sorry, I don’t know.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 16 DEC by Rupert, Kim L.
If you believe the original rose literature, then you shouldn't be able to breed with Dr. Huey. However, being triploid does not mean "sterile". There are a number of fertile triploids which have provided some really interesting results. I have raised hybrids from R. Minutifolia, R. Stellata mirifica, R. Hugonis using triploid minis. If you are interested in attempting breeding with Dr. Huey, try it. Huey does set self set seeds and they do germinate. I have raised self set seedlings out of curiosity. I've not retained any as they weren't things I sought. Give it a try. You might be surprised!
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 16 DEC by Robert Neil Rippetoe
The short answer is, YES,,,

Roses break genetic rules quite often.

Triploids are often fertile, but not always, more easily as pollen parent. Ploidy is quite an interesting topic.

For most answers regarding this and other rose breeding queries visit RHA Forum and take advantage of their database.

Best wishes, Robert
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 18 DEC by Plazbo
Its possible. It just might be a bit more difficult/unreliable. Some triploids are very fertile like Blue For You but others are often more stubborn and may be better used for pollen (given the millions+ pollen produced, theres a higher chance some of those will be fertile).

The other aspect is climate, Iceberg is a triploid that produces fertile seed in some climates but none in others. But the climate aspect is likely to vary from one rose to another.

If it werent for fertility in triploids we wouldnt have modern roses which stem (many generations back) from crosses between european tetraploids and asian diploid roses.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 29 FEB by HubertG
I just found two random hips on my 'Dr. Huey'.
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 29 FEB by Rupert, Kim L.
Yes, Huey sometimes sets hips and sometimes they have seeds in them. Sometimes, they even germinate. Imagine being able to create something like Mick Hurley. https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.59533.0&tab=1 Of course, I am being facetious.
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Discussion id : 119-278
most recent 6 DEC SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 1 DEC by Dewberry
If Dr. Huey were everblooming I’d want to plant it everywhere. I love this rose. I bet a lot of people have a sentimental attachment to this rose because of nostalgia for their childhood. It’s beautiful, and I have more memories of old houses and landscapes half wild than of well-trimmed gardens. Dr. Huey is free simplicity and innocence to me.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 6 DEC by Palustris
You would love New England in the Spring when the once blooming roses are at their best. In old neighborhoods almost every yard has a 'Dr. Huey' blooming profusely where the original rose scion died leaving the rootstock to happily thrive with abandon.
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Discussion id : 99-105
most recent 16 AUG 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 8 MAY 17 by Steven Cook
I moved into a renovated 90-year old house in Washington, DC in March. I was delighted to observe burgundy and green rose shoots sprouting up by the backyard fence. I speculate that it was there all along and landscapers tried to get rid of it but didn't get the roots. It's still got tender young foliage, even though its now about three feet tall, with five or six young canes. Not a hint of flower buds, but really strong growth.

I'm thinking it's probably Dr. Huey, but it seems like, even if it had been practically erased, it still should have flowers on it. The foliage and growth really is like that of a hybrid tea climber, with five leaflets and still that matte burgundy and blue-green color. Am I right that it may well be Dr. Huey, even though it's not blooming?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 8 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Yes, it's Dr. Huey. In my zone 5a, there are lots of Dr.Huey take-over from cheap bare-roots (less than $5 each). Most of them don't have blooms, and the only one that blooms in the entire neighborhood of 400 houses: it was pruned short & fertilized well. But the house across the street has a hedge of non-blooming Dr.Huey, very messy for the past decade.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 10 AUG 17 by Steven Cook
I keep learning despite advancing age. Am I right that Dr. Huey blooms on old wood? If so, I'm looking forward to seeing blooms next year.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 10 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Once-bloomer like Dr.Huey: They need to be pruned short RIGHT AFTER blooming, and NOT in spring-time. If we have a brutal zone 5a winter that kill them to the ground, then the new growth in spring will have flowers. But folks who don't prune Dr.Huey right after blooming, will get a messy tall bush with zero blooms in spring.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 16 AUG 17 by Steven Cook
I'm afraid that ship has sailed. But it didn't bloom this year, anyway. So maybe this year's growth will be next year's bloom. After that, I will do as you recommend. Thank you, Straw Chicago.
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Discussion id : 94-142
most recent 30 JUL 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 29 JUL 16 by Give me caffeine
Saw something funny at the local market the other day. Someone was selling an un-named "local heritage rose". Climber. Small red flowers, once a year.

I didn't bother to tell them it was just one of the most common rootstocks globally, and had obviously survived when the scion had died. Probably should have.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 29 JUL 16 by Patricia Routley
Yes you should have. But kindly. Everybody has to start somewhere in learning about old roses. The first one I ever found was R. indica major and I thought it so beautiful I wrote to the Heritage Rose Journal about it.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 30 JUL 16 by Give me caffeine
Fair point. I'll tell them (nicely) next time I see them.

And to be fair, indica major is quite beautiful, as is Huey.
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