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'Gletscher' rose Reviews & Comments
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22 JUL 14 by
Agnis
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Dear HelpMe Find,
You need to remove Vintage Gardens from your list of places to buy roses, as they have closed forever. (boo hoo!)
Ellen Smart
Ridgefield, WA
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#1 of 8 posted
22 JUL 14 by
 Patricia Routley
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It is listed as a reference only nursery.
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#2 of 8 posted
22 JUL 14 by
Agnis
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No it isn't. It is listed as a place to buy roses, not as a reference. They have stopped tending their database, so it is no good as a reference anyway.
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#3 of 8 posted
23 JUL 14 by
Patricia Routley
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Take a closer look. On the small (orange-coloured) opening page for Vintage there are the words “Reference only nursery”. Once you open the main page for Vintage, on the second line it also says “Reference only rose nursery”. On the bottom of that same page it says “Vintage Gardens has closed operations in May 2014.”
Having closed nurseries listed as once carrying a rose is extremely valuable for the researcher, and for people who inherit roses that are known to have come from that nursery. I have hundreds of old nursery catalogues and while most of the nurseries are long gone, these listings and their descriptions of roses are some of the most valuable things I have.
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#4 of 8 posted
23 JUL 14 by
Agnis
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That is not the point. when you click on where to buy, up comes Vintage Gardens. I bought roses from them for many years. I was aware of their demise as it happened, slowly, over a very long time.
Dave needs to remove it. vintagegardens.com no longer exists. finished. done.
What you do not seem to understand is that their website no longer is there. It was a great resource. I used it often. It no longer exists. It is gone. Dave needs to rejig, and put onto davesgarden.com what is useful: the new website, where the information from the old website is available. Under certain circumstances. When you say it is a 'resource' you apparently are unaware that there is no information, or hardly any information, at that place.
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#5 of 8 posted
24 JUL 14 by
Kim Rupert
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Agnis, when you click on the "Buy From" tab and it brings up the list of nurseries, the Vintage Gardens information on the Buy From tab states:
"Vintage Gardens
A collection of over 3400 antique and extraordinary roses.
Reference only rose nursery. 3668 plants listed. 11 photos. USDA zone 8a.
107 favorite votes. Average rating: EXCELLENT. "
I suggested and worked to create the many "reference only" nursery listings here on Help Me Find to document what has been available here commercially. If you notice the "Reference only rose nursery", it should prevent any confusion. Whether there is any information on line concerning Vintage Gardens or a web site for them, what they offered for sale is maintained here on Help Me Find in case you have a question whether any of their offerings may have been sold here in the United States. It has helped several times in identifying found roses for which no identification was known. I apologize for the confusion it caused you, but the information is stated clearly on the Buy From tab, before you even go to the Vintage Nursery page.
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#6 of 8 posted
24 JUL 14 by
Agnis
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"Reference only" was not on the listing when I read it.
HOWEVER, one gets to this listing of Vintage Gardens by clicking on the link for "where to buy." You need to change that. You also need to get rid of the vintagegardens.com link. IT IS NO LONGER OPERATIVE. YOU DO NOT SEEM TO BE READING WHAT I AM WRITING TO YOU. Vintagegardens.com is DEFUNCT. The wonderful information they provided, including images, IS NO LONGER THERE. THE DATABASE IS NOT ACCESSIBLE THERE. Yes, you want us to be able to get to all that information, and we want to get to it, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE SENDING US TO.
YOU DO NOT SEEM TO COMPREHEND THAT THE OLD WEBSITE IS NOT GOING TO PROVIDE THE LOVELY INFORMATION YOU THINK IT STILL DOES. THEY DO NOT HAVE UP ON THAT WEBSITE WHAT THEY OFFERED FOR SALE. IF YOU ARE MAINTAINING IT ON HELPMEFIND, THEN YOU DO NOT NEED TO SEND ANYONE TO VINTAGEGARDENS.COM, WHERE THE INFORMATION DOES NOT EXIST AND NEITHER DO THE IMAGES.
YOU NEED TO GET THE LINK TO THE NEW WEBSITE. This is the old database but is not vintagegardens.com. Here, I've done it for you: http://thefriendsofvintageroses.org/home/
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#9 of 8 posted
22 MAY 15 by
Matthew 0rwat
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#7 of 8 posted
24 JUL 14 by
Agnis
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Here, I've done it for you
http://thefriendsofvintageroses.org/home/
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#8 of 8 posted
24 JUL 14 by
Kim Rupert
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Thank you. I have also removed all contact information for the closed nursery as well as countries shipped to, except Germany as the system will not allow me to remove all of them. I have turned that issue over to the Help Desk with the request they please wipe out all "ship to" countries. Hopefully no one else will be confused.
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1 JAN 12 by
Grntrz5
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A purchase from Cliff Orent, through Vintage Gardens had a well scented 1 1/2" lilac bloom right out of the box. It has Tea like branching, numerous tiny prickles, and the new leaves are blue-green. It does get BS and does lose it's leaves in extreme drought, but they returned with more water and cooler temperatures-when the 115/80's went to 80's and 70's at night.
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20 SEP 11 by
Kim Rupert
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From the Vintage Catalog today, " At David Ruston’s famous rose collection in Australia, in 2006 we encountered this rose grown under its correct and original name, Gletscher, a seedling of Lavender Pinocchio from Kordes, introduced in 1955! Our thanks as well to Akira Furusawa of Japan who confirmed this after comparing our Aldinglow with his Gletscher which has been in Japan for some years."
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#1 of 3 posted
20 SEP 11 by
jedmar
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Thank you for bringing this identification to our attention!
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#2 of 3 posted
20 SEP 11 by
Kim Rupert
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You're welcome. Imagine the quantity of interesting information floating around "out there" which doesn't get reported here. What a tremendous resource we have!
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#3 of 3 posted
20 SEP 11 by
jedmar
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Yes, somebody had already listed some years ago 'Gletcher' as a synonym, but the missing s prevented the correct assignation.
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23 SEP 07 by
Kim Rupert
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Vintage Gardens is offering Gletscher under the name "Aldinglow". It's one I've been interested in for some time. Check it out.
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#1 of 2 posted
24 SEP 07 by
HMF Admin
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Kim,
We have "Aldinglow" as a separate listing - can you confirm they are the same rose ? Thanks.
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#2 of 2 posted
25 SEP 07 by
Unregistered Guest
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I'm reporting what Vintage states in their online catalog.
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