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'Flower Carpet ® Pink' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 117-268
most recent 22 JUN HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 22 JUN by eihblin
I have a question for those of you who grow this rose. In your garden, when in rose season does it start to bloom? Mine just got started around June 18th-very, very late in rose season for those of us in Tuscany, Italy. I s this typical of this variety?
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Discussion id : 69-292
most recent 6 JAN 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 JAN 13 by Simon Voorwinde
I have a hunch that the 'Amanda' listed as the pollen parent of Flower Carpet 'Pink' is not the one currently listed ('BEEsian') but the 1979 rose whose registration & exhibition names are both 'Amanda', bred in the same year by Werner Noack. Both the U.S. and the Australian patent reference the pollen parent as 'Amanda', not 'BEEsian'. This would also be the same for the other Flower Carpets listed as coming from 'Amanda'. In addition to this, one of Noack's other roses, 'Rosa Perle', is listed as descending from the Noack 'Amanda' as well and the other descendant of the Noack 'Amanda', 'Hockey', has the same cluster flowering habit as FCP does.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 6 JAN 13 by Rupert, Kim L.
I think that is a rather logical deduction, Simon. Good thinking! It makes sense he'd use his own proprietary rose. If you look at Rosa Perle, another Noak creation out of his Amanda, the single photo does resemble Flower Carpet quite a bit.
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Discussion id : 62-927
most recent 23 MAR 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 23 MAR 12 by Simon Voorwinde
Where did all the other names for this rose come from?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 23 MAR 12 by HMF Admin
See the references tab.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 23 MAR 12 by Simon Voorwinde
The references section wasn't particularly useful, which is why I posted here. I can see the following list of names/synonyms:

• Blooming Carpet
• Emera Pavement
• Emera
• Floral Carpet
• Flower Carpet ® Pink
• Heidetraum
• NOAtraum

The references section accounts for 'NOAtraum', 'Heidetraum' and Flower Carpet™ (not, strangely, Flower Carpet™ 'Pink'; Flower Carpet™ is a trade mark not a name). I'm wondering how a rose that is relatively young and distinctive can come to be known by so many names, such as 'Emera'... and 'Emera Pavement', etc?

MR10 says that its registered name is NOAtraum and its official synonym is 'Heidetraum' ('Heide' translates as 'heath' and 'traum' translates as 'dream'... according to Google translator). The trade mark for the rose is 'Flower Carpet' (which by normal trade mark law means that it is invalid because once a product becomes known as its trade mark it becomes invalid and not worth the paper it is written on). Maybe the name 'Pink' should be added to the list of names as well? HMF, and everywhere else, refers to this rose as 'Flower Carpet Pink', however, which means that Flower Carpet™ is no longer a trade mark but is being used as a name.

I'm curious about the names of this rose because around the world the various plant patents are running out which means that other nurseries are now legally allowed to add it to their propagation lists and offer it for sale with their other non-patented roses. However, Flower Carpet™ is trade marked in most places around the world and so technically can't be used. So what are people going to call it? 'Pink'? Or will they revert back to the original 'Heidetraum' or will they choose from any one of the many other names, whose origin (and therefore validity) have not been established? My thinking is that people should start selling it as 'Heidetraum' (where it will fade into relative obscurity in non-German speaking countries like roses like 'Heidesommer', which is every bit as good as FCP, have) or people should sell it as 'Flower Carpet Pink' on the understanding that despite it being a trade mark... it is an invalid trade mark and is now basically a synonym and part of its (convoluted) name history.

I think it is important to clear up these naming issues for rose historians of the future, especially seeing as this rose has been such an inlfuential rose on a world scale in much the same way as 'Knock Out' has been.
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Discussion id : 39-028
most recent 6 SEP 09 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 SEP 09 by Claus Elvers 1965
Available from - Rosen-Direct
http://www.rosen-direct.de/product_info.php?cat=28&info=p663_Heidetraum--.html
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