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'Awakening' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 122-977
most recent 19 AUG HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 AUG by Thymus
Is 'Awakening' a good choice for my situation?

I have an arbor that is 8 ft high x 5 ft deep x 4 ft wide. It is across a path going in East-West direction. The arbor gets about 3 hours of direct sun in the morning (from 9am to 12pm) and 3 in the afternoon (from 2pm to 5pm), i.e. 6 hours total of direct sunlight plus another hour of dappled dun throughout the day. The soil is decent there: original clay enriched with a lot of compost. I would love to grow the Awakening rose over the arbor, but I am not sure if it is a good choice. Do I have enough sunlight there? Are the arbor’s dimensions appropriate for this rose? Do I need 2 of them for each side? What other roses are suitable for this arbor? Is Everblooming Cl Cécile Brünner too big for this structure? How about 2 of Aloha on each side? I would like to have a rose that reblooms, has more than 5 petals, is hardy to USA agricultural zone 6b, does well with 6 hours of sun and is disease resistant. I’d be most grateful for advise and recommendations.
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 18 AUG by Rupert, Kim L.
Welcome! The answers to your questions depend upon where you are trying to grow the roses. Awakening is literally a very double form of what we have as New Dawn, the repeat blooming mutation of Dr. VanFleet. It can be a splendid rose in the right climate and conditions. If you are in a colder climate, Awakening should be very good. If you are in a hotter, more arid area, nope. New Dawn/Awakening is limited in growth by shorter,harsher climates. Both repeat well where there is not extreme heat. Where there is, get ready to have to dead head the plant religiously for any repeat bloom. The color is also much better where you don't have extreme heat and relentless sun. In the colder climate, you probably only need one plant per side. In a hot, arid climate, you DEFINITELY only want one per side as it grows fairly rampantly in climates like much of Southern California. The same applies for Aloha, only one per side. So, the best suggestions and advice are the best enabled by knowing where you will be trying to grow them.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 18 AUG by Thymus
Thank you!

I like New Dawn too, but I think Awakening is prettier. Is one any more robust than the other?

How hot is “extreme heat and relentless sun”? Arizona and Texas comes to mind when I read this, but our summers can get pretty hot too, up to mid 90F (35-37C) during heat waves and mid 80s (about 30-32C) overall. We get high humidity as well.
I am in USDA zone 6b on the East Coast (NJ). We have -5-0F (down to -20C) in winter. My property is surrounded by woods, which on the one hand creates a nice microclimate protecting from harsh winds and extreme heat, but on the other hand the amount of sun is limited. My sunniest spots never get more than 7 hours of sun anywhere on the property. I’d love to be able to grow roses though.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 18 AUG by Rupert, Kim L.
Where you are, either of the three roses mentioned should be OK, one per side of your structure. "Extreme" is as you suggested, "desert south west". As far as I know, Awakening and New Dawn are pretty similar except for the number of petals. I've seen the flowers but never either rose grown well. They are simply awful in our desert heat (mildew, faded beige flowers, demanding perfect deadheading to get ANY repeat bloom, etc). Your "all day sun" is likely what the British rose writers were referring to when they wrote that statement. Here, a maximum of six hours of direct sun is MORE than sufficient for most roses and often, too much for the plants to endure, much less to provide good, lasting flowers in.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 18 AUG by Thymus
Thank you so much for your reply! Your information and advice is very useful not only for my particular situation with growing ‘Awakening’, but also for interpreting the “sun-shade” recommendations that the rose nurseries provide. Somehow, I was under the impression that roses require an enormous amount of dazzling direct sun to grow well. Thanks for debunking that myth for me.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 18 AUG by Rupert, Kim L.
You're welcome! At higher latitudes, they are going to require longer periods of "blazing sun". The closer to the equator you get, the more direct the sun's rays are, hence the stronger the radiation and heat. It's "brighter" the closer to the equator you travel. That's something you really had to pay attention to in photography back in the old film days. Where you may have needed higher ASA (American Standards Association) ratings (perhaps ASA 200 or even 400) to photograph a trip to Northern Europe or Canada, if you used those more light sensitive types for a trip to Hawaii, you would likely over expose most of your photos as the light would be too strong, too bright for the film speed. For those, you probably would have wanted ASA 64 or even ASA 25 slide film. Length of direct sun duration for plants is pretty much the same thing. Your foliage in six hours of direct summer sun there in NJ is probably going to look great. Six hours of direct summer sun in inland valley areas of California, AZ, Texas, etc. will likely fry the foliage and eventually kill the plant by cooking it. It's all a matter of intensity, something the old rose writers never considered as they wrote for the other rose growers there in Britain, so they all had the same light.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 18 AUG by Thymus
I remember the good old film days in photography. That's actually a great analogy. I will be using that as a tool too to determine how much sun light I really have.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 18 AUG by Rupert, Kim L.
Thank you. I'm glad it helped. Please feel free, with my compliments!
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 19 AUG by Thymus
Thank you!
I will:)
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Discussion id : 122-051
most recent 8 JUN HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 7 JUN by MelissaPej
I have a high opinion of this rose. I planted a grafted 'Awakening' years ago in poor heavy clay soil, intending for it to grow up and onto the roof of a shed. Between unirrigated summer drought and the poor soil it didn't climb, but it did survive, gradually growing on the ground toward an Italian cypress. After several years it got strong enough that I could begin training it up the cypress; it continued to grow and I was able to train it onto the shed roof as well. Now it's a sight. A floriferous rose with elegant handsome blooms, thorny plant, getting a bit of fungal disease in fall but not bad. It blooms relatively late in the rose season, so offers its flowers when others aren't at the height of their bloom. I don't do much of anything for mine except prune it occasionally to cut away the older growth, and it doesn't care; last year I never got around to pruning it, either, but it flowered heavily this spring just the same.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 7 JUN by Jay-Jay
Would be nice to see that result Melissa.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 8 JUN by MelissaPej
It would! Unfortunately I have a disfunctional relationship with cameras, cell phones, etc, and very rarely take pictures. Also 'Awakening' has passed the height of its bloom. You could try the rose yourself, of course (not sarcastically meant). Perhaps I should add I planted the rose twelve or thirteen years ago,so it's had time to develop.
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Discussion id : 7-788
most recent 3 SEP 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 8 MAR 05 by Unregistered Guest
I have been advised on a Garden web forum that 'Awakening' a sport of 'New Dawn' will bloom in partial and dappled shade.

In that case, if planted under and in front of young, growing, three trunked 'Biloxi' Crape Myrtles that have clean trunks for the first six feet and that are planted just north of a privacy six foot privacy fence, which recieves a lot of East and west sun, do others agree that either 'Awakening', or 'New White Dawn' will thrive and bloom better
then the reported shade tolerant, small climber, thornless 'Kathleen Harrop' which is a healthier sport of 'Zepherine Drouhan' climbing Bourbon rose?
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 13 MAR 05 by Anonymous-97434
I believe you'll be more pleased with Hybrid Musk roses trained as climbers under your Crape Myrtles than New Dawn or any of its variants. They are more reliable repeat blooming plants with fewer problems. Unless you require more cold hardiness than they may offer, please take a look at them before committing to New Dawn. You may find a large selection if you search the data base here for rose type, Hybrid Musk.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 15 MAR 05 by Lyn G
Even tho' a rose is touted to be shade tolerant, what that really means is that it will survive in somewhat shadier conditions better than some other roses. BUT, the thing to remember is that roses are sun lovers, so altho' the rose will perform in shadier conditions, it will never truly thrive.

If you observe the plant you will see longer spaces between the internodes and the plant will look like it has less foliage which is required for good performance. The rose is reaching for the sun. If it does get enough sunlight, it will put out some blooms, but never as many as it would if it had the 6 or more hours of sunlight roses prefer.

However, some classes of roses can grow better in shadier conditions. You will notice that most of these roses have fewer petals than New Dawn and roses like her. They don't require as much heat nor light to open. The suggestion of hybrid musk roses above is excellent. However, if they are not cold tolerant enough for your garden, look for roses that are singles, semi-doubles or doubles. The will do much better than roses with a higher petal count.

Smiles,

Lyn
helpmefind.com
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 3 SEP 16 by SweetheartofJ
thank you so much for these posts. i am learning so much from them, roses are so beautiful.
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Discussion id : 60-058
most recent 17 DEC 11 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 17 DEC 11 by Deandra
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