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'Paul Noël' rose Reviews & Comments
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Available from - Donald Rogers
www.areverenceforroses.com
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Continuing a thread....
Dear Simon, 'Paul Noel' came to me named 'Paul Transon'. Originally from Melville Nursery in Western Australia. I was first alerted that it may be 'Paul Noel' by Anne Belovich's address in El Cerrito. California wherein she said "Paul Noel is so strongly quilled that once you see it, you won’t make the same mistake...... those absolutely incredible quilled petals." My rose has those exact same long slender branches of Charles Quest-Ritson's ....<i>Encyclopedia</i> page 298 photo and is certainly more quilled than my other wich's. I am convinced it is 'Paul Noel'.
I know of no Australian nursery offering it as such. (I do wish the Australian nurseries would come on board with HelpMeFind. They are surely losing money by not doing so. Aussies - persuade your local nurseries).
Simon, You can try your luck with the nurseries, however there is confusion:
Leontine Gervias – often confused with ‘Francis Juranville’. Refer Quest-Ritson-171
Francois Juranville – often confused with Paul Noel. Anne Belovich El Cerrioto address
Paul Transon – often confused with Paul Noel. Refer Quest-Ritson-172
Patricia Routley – often confused with everything!!!!
I can certainly send cuttings if legal. I have it growing over a very sick walnut tree and it cascades its branches straight down. I have noted it rooting where it hits the ground. There is an occasional welcome flowering in autumn, but nothing to speak of really. The picture is pinker than it should be and doesn't show the tints of yellows from the pollen parent, in the center.
Patricia
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Thanks Patricia. Why am I not surprised there is confusion!!!
I would love some cuttings and at the same time I'll try and find a plant a plant of 'Paul Transon' so I can grow them side-by-side to see what, if any, differences there may be. I need to talk to you at some stage to find out what needs to be done to send plants or at least cuttings to WA because I have some China seedlings coming through that I think you guys over there might be interested in.
Thanks again,
Simon
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Well thank you Simon. That is really lovely of you. However, I am really a born-and dyed-in-the-wool old-rose person. Whilst I now have new space for roses, I must conserve my declining energies for the old roses which come my way. They give me enormous interest. I'll leave the newies to you young'uns.
I can send eastwards, cuttings from Western Australia. Not sure about east, then south. Will work on that one.
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We're hoping to be able to plant a limited number of ramblers at Ruston's (most of those previously there have gone). If we can, I'm going to suggest we plant unidentified foundlings, and some whose names need correcting; eg Paul Noel ("Not Paul Transon"), Aglaia ("Not Thisbe"), "Brownlow Hill Rambler" ("Not Mme Alice Garnier").
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#4 of 8 posted
14 JUN 10 by
 jedmar
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The confusion is not only in Australia: 'Paul Noël', 'Paul Transon', 'François Juranville' are all mixed up over here in Europe, too. I keep posting photos from various provenances. We need a set of characteristic details by which identification will be possible for all.
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Yes. I have stood in front of wich ramblers and thought, where do I start looking?
Is Dan Russo a member? or I recall Charles Quest-Ritson offered to help in some way.
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Too add to this, I thought I'd throw this into the fray... Patricia, I have emailed you tonight with this information, however, I felt it was relevant to this discussion as well. The cuttings you sent all struck and have been flowering on-and-off for the past 6 months or so. I have sent a plant down to Margaret for her to check as well. The flowers of my ones down here in Tasmania are much lighter than the photo you've put up showing none of that fuschia M. Tillier colour. They are very light, almost white, with a peach coloured blush all over as the photos of 'Paul Transon' here show. I haven't got a photo yet but will put some up when they start flowering next season. It is a beautiful looking flower that hate sthe rain here. It looks like my milder climate makes this rose look completely different to yours despite them being clones of each other. maybe some years on them will make them look different as well. It's all very interesting though.
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Hello Simon, I agree - most interesting. When we see such differences as this in different climates, it makes one wonder how on earth we can ever hope to identify misnamed roses.
I see you are on the north of Tasmania, and I am on the south of Western Australia. Without looking it up, I'll take a wild guess and say I am probably about 10 degrees latitude north of you. That - and different soil has to make a difference. I must admit I have never seen my flowers "almost white" and I have had it for about eleven years. I really look forward to your photos. you certainly seems to have more repeat flowering than I have seen. .
I think the bloom arrangement is the characteristic to look for here. Are the petals round and arranged in an imbricated fashion? Or are they quilled as though rolled around a pencil. I think mine were more quilled.
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Further to my initial Comment,
I have this morning read all the references for ‘Paul Noel’ and “clusters” was often mentioned in the early references.
My plant grows like the photos from Ametiszt, Mashamcl, and Ron Harris with the canes dropping straight down, and one flower at intervals down the cane. My plant certainly has reddish pedicels, even in shade. I will try to take photos while it is still flowering, but a small broken bone in my foot might make this impossible. (Judy, did you take photos of my plant that you can add?)
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This was a very pretty rose--a perfect color for the spot we had it--but we ended up shovel pruning it due to the fact that it is not rain resistant and holds onto its petals for ages. So you can end up with a huge wall of flowers that have become rotten, ugly and brown...and good luck dead heading a thorny climber of this size if you don't want to look at them! So if you are in a place with spring rains that may ruin the look of the blooms during its one big show, it is not a good choice.
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