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'Princess Alice' rose Reviews & Comments
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Initial post 4 FEB 08 by Michael Garhart
This rose is identical in every way to Princess Alice by Harkness. I grow both, and theyre the same exact rose.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 4 FEB 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Thanks for this Michael. It seems there is an unfortunate trend toward the intentional renaming of roses.

This makes me wonder whether 'Princess Alice' might also be the original name of 'Grandma's Yellow'?

This sets a bad precedent. I hope Harkness is taking note.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 4 FEB 08 by Michael Garhart
I know that is definitely not Grandma's Yellow. Princess Alice has tell-tale characteristics in the way it forms sprays, and the odd density in the way it forms its leaflets. The only things the two have in common are: dark gold color, repeat bloom and top-heaviness :)

Ive tried to ID Grandmas Yellow, but I can't. I cant even decide which yellow line(s) it is derived from! Ive thought of so many possibilities ranging from one of McGredy's lesser known yellows, one of the Hill yellows derived from Golden Wave, an old J/P yellow, one of the random Kordes yellows derived from Buccaneer or maybe a sport of a known rose. For example, a lot of older apricot/copper tones have a lot of yellow sports. There are just too many possibilities to even narrow it down. And the narrow yet rugged foliage doesn't help ID anything either. However, the most narrow yellow that comes to mind is New Day, so a hybrid of that is possible too =/
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 4 FEB 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Thanks for your insights Michael. There is a movement underway to properly identify "Grandma's Yellow". I hope we eventually find out the truth.

In my opinion it is a tremendous loss to find roses, even those of recent introduction, being re-marketed under a new name with no credit being given the breeder, and all historical information regarding introduction and lineage subsequently lost.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 8 JUN 12 by Nastarana
I suppose such renaming is technically legal, if not ethical, so long as the patent has expired on the original variety.

If growers are going to tradmark names of their introductions, from now until eternity, seemingly, such renaming might be the only way some cultivars remain in commerce.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 7 MAR 17 by Patricia Routley
'Golden Bouquet' merged with 'Princess Alice'. Thanks Michael.
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