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Initial post yesterday by Margaret Furness
Watch out for friends who are compulsive deadheaders... Fortunately since it's close to the ground, it may be relatively safe.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by HubertG
I'll be keeping a close eye on this one, Margaret. I'm more concerned with possums and anything else that nibbles to be honest.
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Initial post 8 days ago by armand_212
This looks a lot like Maggie
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Reply #1 of 12 posted 6 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thanks Armand. I've Noted that in the 'Zi Yan Fei Wu' file - and it is also Noted in the "Maggie" (syn. Eugène E. Marlitt) file.
It would be valuable to find out how old this "very old Chinese cultivar" actually is - or when it was first referenced in China.
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Reply #2 of 12 posted 5 days ago by armand_212
Hello, its chinese name is 紫燕飞舞, if you google it you will see lots of pics and info (you may need google translate!) There are also a couple of websites from china and japan that indicate that this is Eugene Marlitt aka Maggie, and ive grown Maggie for decades and seen its growth habit in europe, asia and the usa, and I can say its a splitting image.
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Reply #3 of 12 posted 5 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thanks Armand. I have added that chinese synonym.
You are the second person to say 'Zi Yan Fei (or Fe) Wu' is the same as "Maggie".
John Hook also noted that in his comment (below) that his plant of 'Zi Yan Fei Wu' appeared to be the same as "Kakinada Red".

It would appear that 'Zi Yan Fei Wu' should carry the double quotes of a "foundling", and merged with 'Eugène E. Marlitt'. But I am really cautious with this one and would love to have more input from rosarians - and perhaps that earliest date for Zi Yan Fei Wu.
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Reply #4 of 12 posted 5 days ago by HubertG
This also makes you wonder more about other "old" Chinese roses such as 'Tipsy Imperial Concubine'.
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Reply #5 of 12 posted 5 days ago by armand_212
Well, in Dr Wang Guoliang's book Old Roses in China, this rose is reported to be called Bao Xiang (Precious Portrait) by the Chinese, and Dancing Purple Swallows by the Japanese (the ancient japanese used chinese characters), and a rose by this name has been recorded since the Song Dynasty (960–1279AD), And he surmises that they are all the same, including Maggie, Pacific, Kakinada Red, Eugene Marlitt. Although I must say that the Kakinada Red I saw in India didn't look similar...
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Reply #6 of 12 posted 4 days ago by Patricia Routley
For Armand_212 - and others.
Forgive my slowness Armand. It is spring and the sun is shining after months of grizzle drizzle - I should be "out there" so I am not concentrating too well. But as "Maggie" is a really important rose I am not going to do anything without the input from others.

It seems that we should:
Give 'Zi Yan Fei Wu' the double quotes of a foundling.
Change the name of "Maggie" (syn. Eugène E. Marlitt) - to just "Maggie"
Change the name of "Pacific" (syn. Eugène E. Marlitt) - to just "Pacific".
Merge "Zi yan Fei Wu" with "Maggie".
Make a new file for 'Madame Eugène E. Marlitt' (syns 'Eugène E. Marlitt' and 'Eugénie John Marlitt')
Transfer all relevant references for...Marlitt....out of "Maggie" and into the new 'Madame Eugenie E. Marlitt' file.
Transfer all photos entered under the name of ....Marlitt... out of "Maggie" and into 'Madame Eugenie E. Marlitt'.
(There are about 23 or so photos that were added under the name of ....Marlitt. Are any of these ....Marlitt, or are they all "Maggie".)
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Reply #7 of 12 posted 3 days ago by Patricia Routley
In the absence of "other's" direction, I am tackling this rose as best I can.
What are the correct spellings please.
Zi Yan Fei Wu
Zi Yan Fe Wu

Bao Xiang
Baoxiang
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Reply #8 of 12 posted 3 days ago by armand_212
HI

The correct forms are "Zi Yan Fei Wu" and "Bao Xiang"
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Reply #9 of 12 posted 3 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thank you. I've merged the files. Please take a look. At this stage, 'Zi Yan Fei Wu' carries the single quotes and "Bao Xiang" carries the double quotes of a foundling.
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Reply #10 of 12 posted 3 days ago by armand_212
Hi, Eugene Marlitt is commonly used as a synonym for this rose and many people believe that it is the same rose as which is commonly known as Maggie and Bao Xiang etc. should there be a mention of that on the maggie page?
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Reply #11 of 12 posted 3 days ago by Patricia Routley
There is Armand. See the last line of the Notes.

Probably the line in the 2011 reference: "Hungarian rose breeder Rudolf Geschwind first introduced it as 'Julius Fabianics de Misefa', but it was later distributed as 'Eugen E. Marlitt'. " needs to be explored further, but I do not have the resources to do that.
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Reply #12 of 12 posted 3 days ago by Patricia Routley
Armand, I have been reading Gregg Lowery's excellent article in the 2006 Rosa Mundi and adding bits and pieces from it to the references. It is an absolutely fascinating article, made even more fascinating for me by my long-held thoughts that my Australian foundling "Wilson Street Nannup" may be the same as "Maggie". I will certainly get a sucker of my rose and get it out into a full sun area to see if it repeats then. Thank you for your help, patience and advice.
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Initial post 4 days ago by HubertG
It's a really pretty colour.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 3 days ago by a_carl76
The color was a lot better in person. Of course this is a first bloom and grown under lights so it is very possible it will change once it grows into a mature bush.

The most exciting thing about this seedling is that it is clearly not a self pollinated offspring of Lynnie (something it is known to do). With this specific cross I was looking for hints of yellow in the bloom as a telltale sign that the cross took. A few of the sister seedlings do not have this which forces me to look at additional traits to make the determination. I am sure the determination will end up being that they are self pollinated seedlings.
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Initial post 3 days ago by HubertG
How does this photo from 1934 compare to those Black Boy's grown in Australia?
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