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most recent 9 MAR 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 25 JAN 16 by drossb1986
This rose proved to be a struggle to grow. It was a demanding little plant that had a hard time growing. It also did not produce many blooms, and more than once put out oddly colored blooms (some being half pink and half yellow, others being pink with large splashes of yellow vs. the blended color it is). However, I understand the color variation is fairly common with roses that are Sports. On the flip side, IF we managed to get the plant to bloom...AND the weather was right...AND the bloom wasn't an odd color...the results were fairly stunning. From my experience, I would skip Chicago Peace and grow a more vigorous, newer variety of similar color.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 26 JAN 16 by Jay-Jay
I agree... Had the same experience over here with the plant. The few flowers it presented varied too, but not that much. It is already replaced by a better performing rose.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 9 MAR 22 by Michael Garhart
I see this complaint in other comments. The one down the street is a non-stop monster bloomer.

It is not surprising in roses that have been massively asexually reproduced, been around awhile, and possibly picked up a stealth virus of sorts. It only takes one degenerate clone to create an entire army of degenerate clones.

I have seen Peace here (its quite common west of me in Portland) as the saddest and most floriferous roses on any given street. A lot of old HTs are randomly on the street side in Portland.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 9 MAR 22 by styrax
Hopefully, virus-treated stock would be more vigorous. My first rose was Peace, and while it was a bit lackluster I honestly saw the appeal of it. Maybe not enough to say 'Gloria Dei' though!
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most recent 6 MAR 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 4 JUL 17 by GardenGlimpses
In the remake of Beauty and Beast, the heroine Belle exclaims to the Beast: 'A lifetime sentence...just for a single rose!' . She said this because her father was thrown in jail for life for stealing a bloom from the haunted garden. But immediately I thought of this rose, Dolly Parton. As long you own it, for its lifetime, plan on being sentenced to spraying and coddling it. It will will reward you with these magnificent blooms...huge, fully petaled with elegant and complex recurve, prissy high centers, sumptuous fragrance, long lasting, in a incredibly saturated scarlet orange. But while bloom has absolutely every desirable quality in spades, the underlying plant has none. The plant itself will be a thorny vision of Charlie Brown's Christmas Tree, a weak sapling making a futile effort to carry these enormous gaudy ornaments. It will require every sort of life support you can muster...Insecticide, fungicides on rotation, rich soil, amendments (alfalfa and fish emulsion please!), perhaps some support stakes to prevent collapse, warmth (does Amazon carry a rose heater?) , moist air (humidifier?).. for it to struggle along. It has the unique ability to get blackspot and mildew with equal ease. So keep up the intensive care regimen, in my mind this rose is worth it!
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 4 JUL 17 by Nastarana
In my experience, both parents are much healthier than your description of DP. I did grow 'Fragrant Cloud' long before its' alleged decline in vigor which is being complained of recently. It did need some support from fertilizers but grew into a large bush not notably more diseased than other HTs.

Is DP, in your opinion, really any improvement over FC?
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 5 JUL 17 by GardenGlimpses
In the 1990s a public rose garden I lived near (Zilker Park, Austin TX) had a bed of each rose, Dolly Parton and Fragrant Cloud. FC was by far the better plant, it's not even close. But I think FC back then was one of the easiest and most rewarding roses of all, while DP has always been a diva. I grew FC myself for many years, it was everything I could want in a modern rose...healthy, robust, generous, a very attractive bush plant always loaded with bright, hugely scented blooms. It's a shame that FC is in decline, I'm still trying to find a healthy plant of it. But the individual bloom of DP is larger, more saturated in color, higher centered , and petals more recurved, with the exact same wonderful fragrance inherited from FC....it really is most impressive, and for that, it's still worth growing.

From Oklahoma, DP inherited a propensity to mildew...but I agree, Oklahoma is even a better garden rose than DP.
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 5 MAR 22 by Michael Garhart
The Fragrant Cloud down the street is a slam dance performer. It is grafted with no special care. I think there are still amazing clones of it out there.

FC stays in its lane. Both Dolly Parton and Oklahoma get over 8' here. They're obscene plants. But, yeah, the blooms are super cool on both.
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 5 MAR 22 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I need obscenely tall plants to repel rabbits, will grab Oklahoma if I see it cheap at local store. Thank you for the info.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 6 MAR 22 by Michael Garhart
Be sure its not tender there. I live next to temperate rainforest so mileage may vary.

I think Selfridges is a harder tall beast HT.

If HT is not a requirement, Robusta is #1 at being a self-supporting monster that repels critters. I dislike that rose so much, but its a living fence for sure.
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 6 MAR 22 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you. Dave and Deb Boyd grew Oklahoma in their zone 5, Montana.
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 10 JAN 20 by drossb1986
I love this review. It reminds me of how I feel about Stainless Steel. You baby the heck out of it just to get those stunning, perfect blooms you know it can produce. 100% worth it when you get them but a wreck the rest of the time. I planted DP late last year, and she just sat there because it got too hot to do much else. We will see how she performs after a good pruning, fertilizing, and cooler temps.
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 31 JAN 20 by GardenGlimpses
Stainless Steel got the shovel from me. Had difficulty opening in all sorts of weather, and the dingy pale gray showed every blemish. I actually far prefer Dolly Parton, her blooms are super impressive and weather/heat resistant, it’s just the plant that is rather puny.
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 25 JAN 20 by Austin 08
delightful and helpful review
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most recent 19 JAN 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 22 APR 14 by goncmg
Well, blink and it'll be gone. Happens so often with roses and looks like I just realized Scarlet Knight was but sand through my hourglass. Had it for YEARS, all the 80's and into the 90's in my personal garden and until 2011 Columbus Park of Roses had a huge, healthy bed of this. Now all gone. It is a GREAT rose, and I admit: I don't like red roses! AARS 1968, released perfectly timed as those before it all had heavy scent and that red-maroon that tended to "blue" and those reds after it tended to have no scent but also a clearer, purer color that didn't "blue." Scarlet Knight doesn't "blue," it doesn't have any scent, the color is rich and deep, the blooms a BIG, the plant has gorgeous dark, glossy foliage. The blooms are big enough that this one could easily have been assigned Hybrid Tea as a class, it clusters a bit but so many HT's from its day do as well. Reds are not my favorites----they tend to lack personality to me----and this one I suppose is no different. Not a stand-out. But REALLY GOOD. I feel bad inasmuchas I always liked it, took it for granted it seems, and now although still available, only marginally so...............planted with its co-AARS from 1968, Europeana, the bed could be a stunning litany in deep red and big, glossy dark leaves..............
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 27 OCT 15 by Michael Garhart
Can you compare it to Roundelay or El Capitan, in both blooms and plant architecture? Also, bloom clustering and repeat. Since all of these "red grandifloras" were so abundant then, it would be helpful to set them as different, especially those leaning toward HT or GR. I see Scarlet Knight a lot here, sold in cheap 2 gallon pots at Home Depot. They do not seem to cluster flower at that age.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 27 OCT 15 by goncmg
Completely different than El Capitan and Roundelay. Crisp substance, fat and substantial plant with think hard stems, very well-behaved plant that grows tall but it thick stemmed, big hard glossy leaves, thorny. There is no pink or purple to the bloom. Bloom cycle seems no less/more than any large flowered variety, clusters are 2-4 and a lot of blooms come as singles. Scarlet Knight really could be a Hybrid Tea per my experience. Roundelay and El Capitan read, to me, very "old fashioned" and SK reads far more "modern" and would not be out of place with roses released today. El Capitan is a disease magnet for me. Roundelay was somewhat more resistant. SK is better than both but will blackspot.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 19 JAN 22 by drossb1986
Picked this one up as a body bag just yesterday!
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 19 JAN 22 by goncmg
Nice! What store?
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most recent 28 OCT 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 28 OCT 21 by drossb1986
I snagged this one this year. The best way to describe it is Blueberry Hill (if you've every grown it), but better. It has that silvery/lilac color people either love/hate. It doesn't skew purple, so it's not as garish. It's more ghoulish than garish. It was a healthy little plant that I enjoyed the color on. That's the main takeaway so far.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 28 OCT 21 by Johno
it doesn't look like it come close to matching the original Silver Lining (Dickson, 1958). After more than 50 years the Dickson rose is still available and is a superb rose.
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