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This is one of those roses I love the look and description of, but it's a victim of Jackson & Perkins absolutely terrible, cringe-worthy, uninspiring, overly commercialized, cutesy, and even downright embarrassing naming program. A child could do better. If the state of their business with how they name roses yields results like this, I feel like it's no wonder that the rest of the organization fell into bankruptcy if it had the same sort of approach and planning!
This is a rose that would probably not acquire due to the name. Maybe I could call it by the breeder code or just give it a much better nickname in my own garden.
I want to try it, and the notes of those whom have grown this rose encourage me.
I love its look, hate the name.
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I wonder if it might be time for some of us to agree among ourselves on some better names for worthy new roses. American writers, respected actors, maybe even American rivers and other geographical features might be among the names considered.
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I too hate the name. However, it's a really great rose that far surpasses the lackluster name. It's very vigorous, blooms its head off, and has unique coloring...kinda like Vavoom but with a milky tone. It is so good IMO it almost falls into that Knockout-Iceberg-Belinda's Dream category of easy-to-grow roses.
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There does not seem to be a patent. It could be propagated and sold under any name the seller cared to use.
Do we know who, exactly, at J & P is responsible for the horrible naming?
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#4 of 6 posted
24 MAY by
 Lee H.
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Something that bad must have been by committee.
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The committee is hiding behind anonymity and is likely dominated by one overbearing person who wants things to be "cute" and "positive". Unless and until names are publicly named, the offensive monikers will likely keep coming. Protests by Asian Americans, a community of free spending avid gardeners, over 'Ch-Ching'--no way would I buy that, though it looks to be an excellent rose--had no effect on J&Ps naming practices. The worst part of this is that many folks don't realize that the breeders have no say in names, nor, according to Peter Schneider, even on which roses are selected for release.
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Breeders have very little control unless its something like Kordes -- a corporate xfamily affair. Then, I don't know. Even then, they are still at the whim of factors as random as a big box store buyer's lunch choice that fateful day in some random city, USA, that Kordes or whoever have never even been to.
The entire process of rose selection and production is honestly a bizarre affair. Wholesale horticulture in general is an odd duck.
Breeders can say no, I don't want my rose produced, and if they have power (which is ungodly rare), some say in some things. But a breeder would not say no because that's tossing potential money away, unless they saw that going forward would be a financial hit.
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Lavender/mauve/purple roses are usually the worst. They tend to have more disease issues than most, and they usually have to be babied. I assumed Arctic Blue would be the same, but it did great in its first year in Houston. It always bloomed in nice clusters, it bloomed in the worst heat, and it never had any blackspot issues...which is really saying something in Houston for a lavender rose. I'm a big fan after year 1.
Year 2 Update: Yowza. Talk about vigorous. This thing grows like a weed. I also blooms a LOT in big clusters, but they are super informal, somewhat messy blooms. The blooms also get small in the heat, and because of the light color, they don't stand out as much. But, other than that, it's a great little rose if you like those in this color range.
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Hi, I was wondering what the second year size became in your climate? Thanks!!
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Hi! I don't know if you still have your body bag WW2? Mine was also a body bag, and it struggled along in a smallish container for a couple of seasons. Season 2, I was putting it in shadier areas, thinking it needed protection from the high desert NM sun. But this season, I put it in full, all day blistering sun, and started giving it root stimulator solution, along with the regular feeding regimen I give all my roses. Well, that thing started to produce with a vengeance, and became one of my most productive roses. I think that the body bags benefit greatly from root stimulator, because they have inferior roots to start with. I've used this technique on 3 of them this season, and they all quickly became robust and productive. You might want to try this on your WW2 if you still have it. I buy a gallon jug of Fertilome concentrate each season and use it on all my new roses, transplants, body bags, and band roses from High Country Roses and other vendors. I believe it makes a noticeable difference. I give it about 3 times in the first season, spaced out. The first two applications about 2-3 weeks apart, and then about 1 month later. Miracle Gro Quick Start is also a good root stimulator, but it's more expensive.
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At its best in the spring when the color is quite unique...coral red stripes on an apricot orange base. It seems to lose its stripes in hot weather and become a solid dark smoky orange, not very attractive to me. The plant is healthy, bushy, blooms heavily and repeats often, having ideal floribunda qualities. Alas, that summer color doesn’t look good by itself and clashes with pretty much every other rose in the garden.
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Frida has been a little fussy with blackspot at times, but oddly...the chili thrips seem to avoid her.
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Even the Chili thrips must not like that odd dull orange summer color, either!
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Ben T, I agree with your assessment of the color, same thing in Albuquerque NM... BTW, Weeks Roses Hybridizer Christian Bedard said in his August 2023 ARS webinar that this rose seemed to perform best on the west coast...
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