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Initial post yesterday by bumblekim
From Amazon books: The White Rose tells the story of Hans Scholl and Sophie Scholl, who in 1942 led a small underground organization of German students and professors to oppose the atrocities committed by Hitler and the Nazi Party. They named their group the White Rose, and they distributed leaflets denouncing the Nazi regime. Sophie, Hans, and a third student were caught and executed.
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Initial post yesterday by Geoffrey
This rose appears to have been 'pulled' in Australia by David Austin Roses UK, and is no longer available through retail nurseries here.
I have to wonder at the perceived power of an international grower to (a) allow only a select few roses onto the market instead of going through the usual trial process, and (b) telling retail growers what they will sell and what they won't. Seems a bit too cheeky when they don't live here.
Reply #1 of 2 posted yesterday by Nastarana
The DA Co. has been doing this kind of thing for decades in North America. Some very hard-nosed business practices have alienated some of their customer base. Many of us gardeners won't buy their new releases and some are aggressively seeking out "superseded" varieties.

The main complaint has been that DA Co. won't authorize a nursery to grow their newest, patented varieties unless that nursery agrees not to sell older, off patent varieties. That is part of a growing trend in many fields to include in contracts matters which are in fact no business of the contracting parties.
Reply #2 of 2 posted today by Geoffrey
I am not a grower nor retailer, but have purchased some hundreds of roses over the last five years or so, all of which are doing rather well :)

But I am going to throw a gauntlet down before all those who are apparently beholden to DAUK.

Why are you so enthralled by the self-appointed kings of roses? Aren't there other suppliers of roses that are just as good if not better than the standard DA 'English Rose' which has become rather boring with its repetition? Once you have seen a DA English rose, they all now look the same.

So, you suppliers of roses to we the retail public, to whom do you owe you fealty to? DA Jnr or your customers?

Just asking.
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Initial post 3 days ago by Les Racines du Vent
According to Dominique Massad, Le Vésuve in commerce is actually Rosabelle (Bruant, 1899).
See in Bulletin n°25 Automne 2018, Roses Anciennes en France:

"L'ensemble de ces caractères me conduit à privilégier le nom de 'Rosabelle' pour cette variété commercialisée sous la dénomination erronée de 'Le Vésuve'."

He says that Le Vésuve in commerce doesn't ressemble a typical Bengal rose, at least what a Bengal rose would have been at the time (1825), but its habit is more one of a tea.

Any idea, comment, or personnal experience on that matter would be much appreciated!
Reply #1 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Margaret Furness
The Tea book authors quote Steen (1966) and Robinson (2001) as questioning the ID of the rose in commerce by this name.
I note, though, that Rosabelle is a climber.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Les Racines du Vent
Very interesting!
Massad says that Le Vésuve grows up to 3m50, therefore somehow is a climber....
In my climate (zone 5) it is too cold for it to grow well, let alone climb so I cannot have an opinion on this matter.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Margaret Furness
I suppose that raises the question, of whether there are two roses currently being sold as Le Vesuve - one a climber, one not. I don't grow it myself but the two plants I've seen, at Renmark (climate zone 9b, this week in a heatwave to 47C) aren't what I'd call climbers.
Reply #4 of 5 posted yesterday by Les Racines du Vent
If by any chance you had a picture....!
Reply #5 of 5 posted today by Margaret Furness
I'll post a photo of the bush, which is the only one I have taken.
Discussion id : 114-709
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Initial post 1 JAN by Patricia Routley
Is "Eric's Yellow 11" familiar to anybody?
The only rose I know of that hangs on to its petals like this is 'Irene Churruca' syn 'Golden Melody', but this rose is far too yellow for that.
Reply #1 of 1 posted today by rose marsh
Could Eric's Yellow be Speks YellowI know the introduction date is later than the 40's but......Rose M
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