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I have been reading Crépin's discussion of Rosa wichuraiana and R. luciae. He makes it clear that R. wichuraiana is a ground-hugging, sprawling species that doesn't do UP. To the contrary, R. luciae and R. multiflora start as bushes or shrubs, and apparently need some external stimulus to trigger the climbing habit.
I have observed this phenomenon in R. multiflora, naturalized in Tennessee, as well as in the native R. setigera. The plants remain short and bushy when growing in the open, but "take flight" (so to speak) when there is a tree nearby.
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yesterday by
 Jay-Jay
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I grow R. wichuraiana too. And despite nearby oaks and hazelnuts, it stays over the years (as You described) "ground-hugging" and doesn't reach for the stars.
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yesterday by
CybeRose
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Jay-Jay,
That's what I would expect. It does horizontal, but not vertical. I had one, years ago, that insinuated itself through my lawn. When I finally discovered it, I had a heck of a time getting it out.
If you had R. luciae, according to Crépin, it would remain a bush/shrub until it bumped into a fence or tree that would give it a "leg up".
Karl
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From Amazon books: The White Rose tells the story of Hans Scholl and Sophie Scholl, who in 1942 led a small underground organization of German students and professors to oppose the atrocities committed by Hitler and the Nazi Party. They named their group the White Rose, and they distributed leaflets denouncing the Nazi regime. Sophie, Hans, and a third student were caught and executed.
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I am delighted to see that the memory of Sophie Scholl has been honored with a white rose named for her. I would surely buy it if it became available in the USA. I recently finished a brilliant novel by Fallada, "Every Man Dies Alone", which was a fictional retelling of the true story of another dissident against the Nazi regime.
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Yes, I was glad to see it. I often do book searches on Amazon for "Rose", the book caught my eye, then came to HMF wondering if there was a rose for her. Beautiful
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Catalogo F.lli Giacomasso 1940-41 page 3
Egeria – H.T. (Comm. Aicardi) - Novità 1940
Un fiore grandissimo che si può paragonare ad una peonia! Rosso mattone scuro a unghia gialla con striature di arancio sulla pagina esteriore dei petali. Di forma squisita, sarà una rosa di grande effetto, prodiga di fiori durante tutta la stagione. Profumata (Vedi foto a colori a pag. 5)
Translation : A very large flower that can be compared to a peony! Dark red brick with yellow nail with streaks of orange on the outer page of the petals. Exquisitely shaped, it will be a very impressive rose, lavish with flowers throughout the season. Scented (see color photo on page 5)
NOTE: thus the unknown breeder is Domenico Aicardi
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Thanks Bruna. Breeder and date altered to Aicardi before 1940. Reference added.
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What are the chances that 'Egeria' might still be alive somewhere?
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2 days ago by
Cà Berta
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Not many, I am afraid.The roses of that period that are still with us either were planted in the Rose Garden of Rome (and from there the material was given by the Curator Rolando Zandri to Professor Fineschi who had it propagated in his Roseto di Cavriglia) or were marketed by many nurseries and thus they were quite widespread on the territory). Egeria was not in Rome and appears only in the catalogs of F.lli Giacomasso and of Sgaravatti. Sgaravatti, however, was one of the main nursery in Italy and had Egeria in the catalogue for some years .. We hope that having found an image of this rose it can help to recognize it if it still exists in some old garden.
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How disappointing. I suppose we Americans have this unrealistic and romantic notion that while we are always moving, Europeans remain on the ancestral acres for decades if not centuries.
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The real problem is that, while in the USA there were already a few large nurseries that sold thousands and thousands of copies of a rose, in Italy there were many nurseries that sold, besides "international" roses, their own roses in a few copies because the local market was very small. Besides .. Italian esterophilia is proverbial and we do not price much our production .. the grass is always greenest on the other side
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Is "Eric's Yellow 11" familiar to anybody?
The only rose I know of that hangs on to its petals like this is 'Irene Churruca' syn 'Golden Melody', but this rose is far too yellow for that.
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Could Eric's Yellow be Speks YellowI know the introduction date is later than the 40's but......Rose M
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yesterday by
HubertG
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Maybe "Phyllis Gold' from 1935 could be a possibility.
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The patent for ‘Spek’s Yellow’ says “distinctive straight thorns”.
The 1936 reference for ‘Phyllis Gold’ (presumably coming from Wheatcroft Bros.) says “black thorns”. Whether they mean black thorns on the new or old wood, I don’t know. I will tackle the old rose books this afternoon and add any interesting references I find. Many thanks for your thoughts HubertG. They are appreciated.
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yesterday by
HubertG
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You're welcome, Patricia,
I actually saw that reference to black thorns after I had posted my 'Phyllis Gold' comment. Then of course I went scrutinising the photos of "Eric's Yellow 11" for thorns but I actually couldn't find any. I don't know if this is just chance - that there aren't any thorns in the photos - or if it's in fact a relatively thornless rose. Being thornless might be an extra clue.
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It certainly might. I have to lift the plastic bag from the cuttings this morning to check for moisture, so if I see any thorns at all, I’ll report back.
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