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Initial post 2 days ago by Mrbill
This rose 'Sue Streeper' was bred by Dick (Richard) Streeper. His wife Sue provided the information about its parentage to us from his original notes after Dick's passing. We grow this rose in our own garden so the form, bloom and height information are correct.

Pink bud opens to yellow bloom with pink edges. Average diameter of 5”.

Height of 4’ to 5’.

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Reply #1 of 1 posted 2 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thank you.
Discussion id : 106-046
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Initial post 2 days ago by Elizabethspetals
I adore my Louise Odier. I was a bit worried about how she would do for me, after reading here that Louise Odier is not a rose for warm climates. I live in Southern California, Zone 10a. We get some days over 100F every summer, but most Sum­mer days are between 85F and 95F. It usually cools down at night to 60F-70F(sum­mer nights).We get no winter chill, with a light frost on the lawn a few mornings per year. Yet, my Louise Odier bloomed from late April to early October this year. I purchased her as a tiny band sized plant in the fall of 2015. She lived in a large(15 gallon) pot from July of 2016 until late February of 2017. At that time I planted her into a new raised bed. She began blooming about 6 weeks later, and continued blooming for nearly 6 months. Sometimes there was only a bloom or two, but there were always new buds waiting in the wings. My Louise Odier is two years old and approximately 6’ tall x 7’ wide.My soil is mostly clay, and I amend it with homemade compost and chicken manure. My soil and water are both pretty alkaline. I do use some gypsum in each planting hole. So far, Louise Odier had exceeded my expectations. I never thought she would bloom so much, especially through the heat of summer. I love her bright pink, fragrantly scented, large blooms. They make good cut flowers with long straight stems. I can’t comment about blackspot, because my climate is just too dry for it. Powdery mildew however, is a constant battle for many of my roses. Louise Odier has never suffered from powdery mildew, not even when almost all my other roses had it to some degree. I love Louise Odier, and she’s thriving in THIS warm climate:) Lisa
Discussion id : 106-028
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Initial post 4 days ago by thebig-bear
I know it mentions shade and poor soil tollerance for this rose in the references, but catalogues often list this as needing full sun. What are your experiences of it in your own gardens?
Reply #1 of 7 posted 4 days ago by Margaret Furness
I collected one as a road- verge survivor, where it was growing under pine trees - probably got a little afternoon sun, and was quite small. (Strathalbyn Rd provenance in Patricia's photos). I have two from that plant, one in full sun, and one where it gets late afternoon shade. It's a tall arching shrub-climber in garden conditions here (zone 9b), taller in good soil, 2.1m and more. Best espaliered. Tends to proliferate. I'll post photos in a couple of weeks.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 4 days ago by thebig-bear
Hi Margaret, thats great, thank you. I look forward to seeing it in all its glory in your photos.

Does anyone else find that it tends to proliferate a lot?
Reply #3 of 7 posted 4 days ago by Margaret Furness
I should add: it's very prickly. See Patricia's photo.
Reply #4 of 7 posted 4 days ago by thebig-bear
Oh, that would be ok, thorniness not too big a deal - it would be going somewhere that was off the beaten track. The place I'm thinking of is about 2.5 feet in front of a 7 foot conifer hedge, dry, poorish soil, partially under the very edge of a Magnolia's canopy, with full sun up until around 12 or 1pm, then shady for the most part of the rest of the day, unless the odd ray gets over the hedge top. Would it be quite happy in those sorts of conditions? I suppose if it can survive being under Pine trees on the edge of a road it probably can. It's one of a few contenders for the spot, others being Bourbon Queen, Coupe d'Hebe, Baronne Prevost and a couple of others. Would one of them be better suited do you think?
Reply #5 of 7 posted 4 days ago by thebig-bear
Or does it really sound too bad for any of the roses!
Reply #6 of 7 posted 4 days ago by Patricia Routley
I have three plants, all on their own roots and they do sucker. They are never watered.
Full sun (Provenance Ross Roses (as Cardinal de Richelieu-1; Sandie Maclean-2;)
Full shade (Provenance Ron Duncan-1; PT-2;)
Morning shade, afternoon sun (Provenance Strathalbyn Rd.)

The full sun and full shade are both on poor soil. They still do OK.
The morning shade and afternoon sun does much better but the site was where a neighbour dumped a tractor bucket full of cow manure for me probably in about 2000.

I feel 'Great Western' is the best rose for your site.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 3 days ago by thebig-bear
Thank you Patricia, that's really helpful.
Discussion id : 90-522
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Initial post 25 JAN 16 by Belmont
I believe that the only correct posted photos of this rose are mine and the one from Sangerhausen. I think most of the photos are from Eastern Europe. Perhaps the supplier was Petrovic Roses, which is also one of the photo sources.

Graham Stuart Thomas goes into some detail in the GST Rose Book about how he sorted out Rose D'orsay and Rose D'amour. (Not to suggest that the photos in question match Rose D'amour.) One key trait for D'orsay is the pairs of prickles below each leaf. I don't see that in any of the photos I am questioning. Peter Beales in Classic Roses says that both D'orsay and D'amour share many traits with R. virginiana, which is especially known for its glossy foliage. Most of the photos I am questioning appear to have matte foliage. D. Giroux's photo has glossy foliage but the flower is quite different.

GST's text and pencil drawings would be a helpful reference. Is it OK for copyright purposes if I scan and upload his drawings here?

Also, my rose is not once blooming but repeats throughout the season.
Reply #1 of 10 posted 26 JAN 16 by Michael Garhart
I can see the foliage difference. One type has that American Briar type foliage, and the other has more European OGR type foliage.
Reply #2 of 10 posted 3 JUN 16 by Byrnes, Robert L.
In your research on this rose have you run into, or can you suggest, a possibility of what R. carolina was crossed with to produce this beautiful rose?
Reply #3 of 10 posted 4 JUN 16 by Belmont
R. virginiana has glossy foliage, as does Rose D'orsay. Perhaps that is a clue.
Reply #4 of 10 posted 4 JUN 16 by Andrew from Dolton
Graham Thomas describes the 'd'Orsay' rose as having "somewhat leaden" leaves.
Reply #5 of 10 posted 4 JUN 16 by Michael Garhart
I had to look it up, to clarify.

dull, heavy, or slow.
"his eyelids were leaden with sleep"
synonyms: sluggish, heavy, lumbering, slow, burdensome, cumbersome More
of the color of lead; dull gray.
"the snow fell from a leaden sky"
synonyms: gray, grayish, black, dark; More
made of lead.
"a leaden coffin""
Reply #6 of 10 posted 4 JUN 16 by Andrew from Dolton
Like an alba rose.
Reply #7 of 10 posted 5 days ago by Byrnes, Robert L.
Hello. How would you account for the repeat bloom? Thank you.
Reply #8 of 10 posted 3 days ago by Belmont
I don't know, but it doesn't seem so strange in light of other American species roses that rebloom, like arkansana, carolina plena and rose d'amour.
Reply #9 of 10 posted 3 days ago by Byrnes, Robert L.
Good point. Thank you.
Reply #10 of 10 posted 3 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
There are a few roses being grown as 'Rose d'Orsay'.

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