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Initial post today by Les Racines du Vent
There is something reminiscent of Rosa majalis in Rosa x suionum (pubescence on young shoots, brownich red wood...). In my opinion, it doesn't look like an alba, neither a centifolia, so my guess is that the rose currently known as 'Minette' might not be the original or (as it oftens happens so) the original classification was a bit loose, if i may say.
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Discussion id : 111-646
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Initial post today by HubertG
From J. Steckler's Seeds Co almanac 1905, page 134

"Mme. Derepas Matrat.; Yellow Cochet. A pure Tea rose, very free-growing and hardy in character, withstanding ten degrees below zero. It throws up fine, strong stems, crowned by solitary buds of grand size; the color is a good sulphur-yellow, blooms very large, perfectly double, splendid form and freely produced. It has every quality necessary to make the ideal yellow bedder, ranking with the White and Pink Cochets in value as a Summer rose"
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Reply #1 of 1 posted today by Patricia Routley
Thanks HubertG. Added. I have also added the 1914 Leedle ref and they didn't like it much.
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Discussion id : 111-627
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Initial post today by HubertG
The description page for 'Alexander Hill Gray' says "sets no hips". I've always found mine sets hips (which hold seeds) fairly readily. I find this a bit puzzling.
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Reply #1 of 9 posted today by HMF Admin
And this is exactly why comments like yours are so useful and what makes HMF so special. At some point in time, a permanent reference indicated otherwise and now we know that reference is in question based on your experience.

We need more people take the time to share their experience - Thanks !
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Reply #2 of 9 posted today by Patricia Routley
I certainly wouldn't discount that reference Admin. What we need is more of them to say if this rose does, or does not set hips. The fact that we show just one 1922 descendant indicates that it does not, and therefore there is a possibility that HubertG has received a rose other than 'Alexander Hill Gray'. Every reference is valuable.
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Reply #3 of 9 posted today by HubertG
Thanks HMF Admin,
This site is a veritable commonwealth of rose knowledge; the more contributions the better.

Patricia, I have two bushes of AHG ordered from different nurseries maybe 5 years apart. They are both the same and both do set hips. They do look the same as other AHGs in Australia posted here (I've posted a few photos of mine too) This is a double rose but not what I'd call a full one and so they have normal looking reproductive parts and, if insects can get in, I can't see any reason (barring an odd ploidy) why it shouldn't set hips. That's why I thought the no hips reference was unusual. By the time AHG was introduced Teas were waning in popularity, so that is probably the likeliest reason it wasn't used much in breeding, in my opinion.
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Reply #4 of 9 posted today by HubertG
There are in fact a couple of hips on Margaret Furness' photo here:

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.304447
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Reply #5 of 9 posted today by Patricia Routley
That is interesting HubertG. They are hard to see, but I do see them.
I suspect Margaret didn't note them as she has said in her more recent photo 315211 that her plant didn't set hips.
Unfortunately 'Alexander Hill Gray' never came my way, so I have no first-hand experience. How else can I help here?
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Reply #6 of 9 posted today by HubertG
Best to wait for more comments on this topic, I'd say.
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Reply #7 of 9 posted today by Margaret Furness
Maybe it varies with how the weather has been. There's nothing on mine now that I would call a hip. It doesn't flower much in a dry summer.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted today by billy teabag
Do your 'Alexander Hill Gray' plants have prickles HubertG?
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Reply #9 of 9 posted today by HubertG
No, it's virtually thornless. I took some photos this morning of a few hips on one of my AHGs, which I'll post later.
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Discussion id : 111-547
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Initial post 5 days ago by Michael Garhart
Austin site says "Light fragrance". I was curious and checked, because this seems to be a common case when the rose is a rugosa x "indica type".
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 4 days ago by Tessie
I don't recall offhand. If it were really fragrant I would likely remember. My plant doesn't have any open flowers right now, but it does have buds. Will try to remember to sniff once these open and post my opinion.

Melissa
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Reply #2 of 3 posted today by Tessie
Ok, I checked the fragrance today, and I would say definitely moderate and quite sweet, old rose scent. Not one of my most fragrant roses but certainly not "light" either. Perhaps temperature has something to do with it. It is 81 degrees at present. With heat more scent is released than where Austin checked it?????

Melissa
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Reply #3 of 3 posted today by Michael Garhart
Yeah, many are like that. Some are the opposite, but less are that way.
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