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Initial post today by Plazbo
So this rose blooms in flushes. So far, it had a heavy bloom at the beginning of spring, now almost summer and no repeat yet? Is this normal? Is the repeat not til autumn? It might just be settling in (it's not putting on new growth either), just trying to figure out if this is normal for it or not.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted today by Andrew from Dolton
Hello Plazbo,
'Baby Faurax' does indeed flower in flushes right through until the first frosts in autumn, in fact I don't think there was a time from May to October when there wasn't a bloom open somewhere on the plant.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted today by Plazbo
I guess mines just settling in then given the lack of blooms after the early spring bloom.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted today by Andrew from Dolton
My garden is cool and damp during the summer maybe the growing conditions are different to yours, my 'Baby Faurax' also suffers die from back each winter. Patricia grows it, maybe her experience would be in a climate more appropriate to yours.
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Discussion id : 106-631
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Initial post yesterday by ksinGA
Is Prima Ballerina available anywhere in the US?
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Discussion id : 106-582
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Initial post 4 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
This rose looks far more multiflora than hybrid musk.
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Reply #1 of 20 posted 3 days ago by Jay-Jay
Most/a lot of Musk hybrids do!
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Reply #2 of 20 posted 3 days ago by jedmar
Pemberton named them Hybrid Musks although they were descendants of 'Trier', a hybrid multiflora. 'Trier' itself has some Noisette in it, but is more Multiflora. The convention kept the term Hybrid Musk although it is misleading.
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Reply #3 of 20 posted 3 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
It grows like a giant version of some of my R. multiflora 'Minima' seedlings. I can't see any in R. moschata in it at all.
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Reply #4 of 20 posted 3 days ago by Jay-Jay
If You would like to have a Moschata hybrid, just buy Musquée sans Soucis!
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Reply #5 of 20 posted 3 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
I don't need to, a kind man from The Netherlands gave me some seedlings.
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Reply #6 of 20 posted 3 days ago by Jay-Jay
Ooooooooooooooops...
And how do they look and behave? Like a Moschata?
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Reply #7 of 20 posted 3 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
They have thinner stems than I would be expecting from a hybrid musk, but I am really only familiar with 'Felicia', 'Buff Beauty', 'Penelope', 'Cornelia', 'Wilhelm' and 'Prosperity', I suppose out of all of them they would be most like 'Prosperity'. I will have to wait until next year and see what the flowers are like.
Going back to 'Dinky,' it has almost no scent, I think a true hybrid musk should at least have some musk fragrance.
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Reply #8 of 20 posted 3 days ago by Jay-Jay
As Jedmar said... it is a Multiflora Hybrid (of Rosa multiflora Thunb. ), like most of the so-called hybrid Musks are (like Mr. Lens bred). And like Felicia, and I have a hunch, that the others You mentioned have no or almost no Musk blood too, but a Multiflora ancestry.
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Reply #9 of 20 posted 2 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
I never realised quite how tenuous the musk connection was.
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Reply #10 of 20 posted 2 days ago by Jay-Jay
When You look at Penelope, way back in the parentage tree, behind Desprez, You can actually find Rosa moschata Herrm. But what the unknown parentage is of the other used roses and/or seedlings???
There is a most interesting book about hybrid Musks written by Anne Velle with a Geneology tree of Hybrid- Moschata in it: ISBN: 978 90 209 9623 4
Maybe Anne Velle might be able/willing/so kind to upload that page... or the interested might buy this book!
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Reply #11 of 20 posted 2 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you for that Jay-Jay.
'Penelope' is one of my favourite roses, the bud clusters as the first blooms are just opening look quite moschata like. Apparently it is the only rose with pink hips, but I have never seen photographic evidence of this. Mine only ever manage a dullish orange.
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Reply #13 of 20 posted 2 days ago by Jay-Jay
Orange hips You mean and pink flower-buds?
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Reply #12 of 20 posted 2 days ago by Jay-Jay
I selected the best seedlings, potted them and later re-potted them twice in bigger and bigger pots whilst fertilizing them twice this season.
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Reply #14 of 20 posted 2 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
Graham Stuart Thomas says that 'Penenope' has pink hips.
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Reply #15 of 20 posted 2 days ago by Jay-Jay
A slip of the tongue?
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Reply #16 of 20 posted 2 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
Thomas wrote hips as heps, because of the reference to that part of a females' anatomy. He used the archaic English spelling shew/shews instead of show/shows.
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Reply #17 of 20 posted 2 days ago by Jay-Jay
No confusion over here, we call them "bottels" (not Bottles). But some hips look like bottles or are urn-shaped.
Never thought of that female anatomy in combination with the rose-fruits. Freud would have liked the use of language by Graham Stuart Thomas or his hesitation to use the word hip ;-)
And is the color rose/rosé (roze in Dutch) not in fact pink? Rose-hips wrongly transformed in pink hips?
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Reply #18 of 20 posted 2 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
It is from the same school of Victorian Englishness that once covered up piano and table legs in case they caused any erotic thoughts.
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Reply #19 of 20 posted 2 days ago by Jay-Jay
chuckle chuckle.
PS: I once formed/made an ax-handle, to have more grip, like a ladies-calf. No Victorian Duch-ness for me.
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Reply #20 of 20 posted 2 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
It's like the French say 'Cuisse de Nymphe' and the English 'Maiden's Blush'.
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Discussion id : 106-518
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Initial post 10 days ago by Evosmos
I am quite sure that this is the same rose grown elsewhere under the name " Annapurna".
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 10 days ago by Puns 'n' Roses
Unless there is some plant mislabelled as Annapurna somewhere out there, I'm not convinced. The Annapurnas I saw were of the purest white at a time when lots of other white or light pink roses in that park had pink flecks on the petals from the rain. Magnificent blooms, the most impressive ones in the huge park. Spotless, brilliant. I was so thrilled.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 9 days ago by Evosmos
The blooms of 'Coeur de Neige' in my garden glow with the purest white in the midday sun. On Delbard's French website , " Les Rosiers Delbard" there are only three white roses: Annapurna (Dorblan) ,Grand Nord (Delgrard) and Sweet Love (Harmisty).
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 8 days ago by jedmar
Many rose breeders introduce roses which are specifically for a different part of the world. There are Delbard roses which can be found only in Japan, for example. It is definitely not 'Annapurna', as the breeder code is distinct. If it is a regional variety, it would not be on the Delbard site. Same applies to breeders like Kordes, Tantau and Meilland.

Coeur de Neige
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 8 days ago by Patricia Routley
I could have sworn I had responded to Evesmos' initial comment.

Jedmar, the Delbard website (for me) gave only the same three white roses as Evosmos has mentioned:
Annapurna (Dorblan) ,Grand Nord (Delgrard) and Sweet Love (Harmisty).

The linky you have quoted is not the Delbard site, but the Australian nursery Rankins Roses, the agent for Delbard roses. The only code name I could find is contained in the HMF main page linky for Diana Sargeant's Silkies Rose Farm & Rosesalesonline in Clonbinane, Victoria, Australia.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 2 days ago by Puns 'n' Roses
You're not mad, Patricia, I read your comment, too. It appeared in the same instant as my comment above. Maybe that's why it does not show up now?
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Reply #7 of 6 posted 2 days ago by Patricia Routley
Maybe that is the answer. Thanks anyway Puns 'n' Roses - am glad you responded.
There is a lot of renaming that goes on in Australia, but I think that might be the case for many countries.
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