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jedmar 
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Personally, I find it hard to believe that this rose is not in some way, shape, or form related to the hybrid rugosa Hansa. Color qualities are quite similar, if not identical....as is the scent, which is 100% identical to Hansa after a side by side comparison of the two today amongst various other rugosas and hybrid rugosas.
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#1 of 7 posted
16 MAY 10 by
jedmar
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A Swiss nurseryman told me that many 'Roseraie de l'Hay' in commerce are, in fact, 'Hansa'.
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Do you have any new experiences, infos on the identity of Hansa-Roseraie de l'Ay?
I'm interested as i ordered both of them for this winter and curious if i end up with two specimens of the same cultivar...
Doesn't really matter just curious how for example the bush size is stated in several platform, quite a few portals describe Hansa as 120-150 cm tall max and R.D.L. 150-200 cm - which is quite a big difference if i wanna consider the space available for each cultivar...
Thank you for any information!
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#3 of 7 posted
9 NOV 21 by
jedmar
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The easiest way to distinguish them is by the blooms:
- 'Roseraie de l'Hay' has double blooms with the yellow stamens visible. An early reference from "Journal des Roses" points out the similarity of the bloom to 'Souvenir de Pierre Leperdrieux'. You will find a good drawing of this rose on our listing of it.
- 'Hansa', on the other hand, has full, somewhat irregularly positioned petals, with stamens not evident.
You can see that among the photos of 'Roseraie de l'Hay' some which are definitely 'Hansa', and vice versa.
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Oh thank you for the reply, i'm looking forward to observing them both during next season! :)
Peter
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Jedmar, following my private message, photos of the cultivar.
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#6 of 7 posted
4 days ago by
jedmar
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'Roseraie de l'Haÿ' and 'Hansa' are very similar, their blooms are about the same size and both have a strong clove fragrance. 'Hansa' is a bit more mauve than RdH and is more inclined to white stripes. RdH is more pink, sometimes less double, has less often white stripes. I believe that in commerce these two roses are sometimes mixed up - see the photos posted on HMF. I would say your rose is more like 'Hansa'.
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Jedmar thank you. I'm thinking the same, 'Hansa' it could very well be.
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Sold in the UK as a Floribunda Rose by many nurseries. No mention of HT on any write ups. Will check this out as new bare root this year and update. A Floribunda Rose up to 90cm with Salmon colour, fragrant blooms. Healthy, glossy foliage.
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6 DEC by
jedmar
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This rose is an Australian sport of an HT. The 'Happy Anniversary' sold in UK is a floribunda by Delbard from France.
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Sorry this is wrong. I just looked up the Rose you mentioned. It’s not the Delbard but other one and it is sold in the UK as bedfranc and as a Floribunda not a HT. The following websites all list it: RHS Plants, Waitrose Garden, Ashfield nurseries & Parkfield nurseries.
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Rose Listing Omission
La Rose du Fort
source : https://roses-orard-creations.com/bapteme-la-rose-du-fort/
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4 days ago by
jedmar
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The discoverer's surname is Wathen, not Walthen.
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7 days ago by
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Corrected, thank you!
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