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yesterday by
PatProfessor
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According to US Patent #1,301, the parentage is (Oakington Ruby X open pollination).
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#1 of 1 posted
today by
 jedmar
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Pollen parent modified, thank you!
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16 JUN by
Bug_girl
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This rose roots easily and grows well and vigorously on its own roots. My cutting is 2 years old and in bloom almost constantly during the season.
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#1 of 15 posted
17 JUN by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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Most Forty-niners are virused. I don't think I've ever seen a clean one. If you have a virus free clone you're very fortunate to find it.
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#2 of 15 posted
19 JUN by
Bug_girl
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Mine came from an 80 year old rose garden. Not saying 49er was there that long but another rose or two were. This also depends on if I've ID'd it correctly. Sure looks like 49er to me! I took the cutting and rooted it myself. If you have any suggestions for what else it might be, please advise.
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#3 of 15 posted
19 JUN by
Bug_girl
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And mine shown no sign of mosaic virus yet!
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#4 of 15 posted
19 JUN by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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The timing sounds about right to find a clean specimen of Forty-niner, and it certainly could have lived that long unmolested.
Your photos are still atypical.
We may have to think about it a bit and possibly bring in some of the more experienced OGR people in order to identify. We have to remember that many of the roses of this period were closely related.
Hopefully other will chime in.
I asked Kim to look at your photos and he agrees they are not typical.
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#5 of 15 posted
19 JUN by
Bug_girl
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Excellent! I would really like an ID that is accurate. I was trained in entomology and not roses, but I'm pretty good at ID if I have a good key. I will say that the heat definitely affects the coloration of my roses. There are times that this rose looks just like one I ID'd as Condessa de Sastago. (If anyone wants to take a whack at authenticating its identity, I'd love that too.) If you need any other pictures, a cutting, etc. please let me know. I have begun to love pernetianas and everything that looks like them. My ultimate goal is to help rescue roses, starting with those I find in my older neighborhood that are at risk of extinction due to no longer being in commercial propagation. Correctly identifying them is pretty important so I welcome all feedback. Can you tell me the parts that are "atypical" so I can apply that to my knowledge base? I would like to one day make a dichotomous key for IDing some of these roses so anyone could figure them out, but that's probably a bigger project than I could ever do.
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#6 of 15 posted
20 JUN by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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See pictures posted from SJHRG, or older illustrations for typical coloration
Yes, temperature affects color, but in my experience, to the degree illustrated in your photos.
Gregg Lowery is likely the best resource for identifying your variety.
Many of us have known this variety for along time.
The fact that it's easy to propagate without budding is another clue it's not correct.
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#7 of 15 posted
20 JUN by
Bug_girl
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I had ChatGPT analyze what I knew about it with some images and draft a "dossier" as it called it. It even gave it a cute found rouse name. I didn't know that 49er was hard to propagate. Thank you for the response. I can email a copy of the report or copy and paste here but it would be a little longish.
Thank you so much for the help!!!
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#8 of 15 posted
20 JUN by
Bug_girl
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I will move the pictures to a journal entry so they don't cause confusion with known 49er images.
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#9 of 15 posted
20 JUN by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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There's a good chance your rose is something more modern.
Don't be surprised if you never come up with a satisfactory answer. There are those that search for the true identity to roses they've found for years. In some cases they assign a new study name and enjoy it none the less.
You'll find many roses posted that way at HMF.
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#10 of 15 posted
23 JUN by
Bug_girl
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Thank you for the help and advice. I'm going to keep looking!
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#11 of 15 posted
23 JUN by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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Surprise!
I noted recently that Certified Roses will is offering 'Forty-niner' in their wholesale catalog for 2026. There's a chance you may find it at a box store near you. I don't know the source of their budwood but I know they have been working to do away with RMV infected propagation materials.
it's an odd, but welcome coincidence.
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#12 of 15 posted
14 days ago by
Bug_girl
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That's wonderful! Thank you for the heads up. Isnt someone using a heat method to kill the virus(es)? In not sure where I saw it. I am still working on a list of potentials for all my unknown roses. Just decided my Sexy Rexy from a box store isn't as advertised. No clue what it is but it has pink stamens. I need to grow it up more.
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#13 of 15 posted
14 days ago by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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U.C. Davis may have provided the heat treated material you describe. If I find out the source I'll let you know.
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#14 of 15 posted
yesterday by
Bug_girl
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Could that rose possibly be Piccadilly? I have pictures of it in my journal. Very light fragrance. Floribunda clusters, at least in my yard. 22-30 petals. Feathery bits on the sepals.
How do I contact Greg Lowery?
(Thank you for the help!)
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#15 of 15 posted
today by
jedmar
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Gregg Lowery is a member of HMF. Look him up on Members and send him a PM.
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Initial post
yesterday by
Bug_girl
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This rose rooted easily for me from a cutting taken in my neighborhood.
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#1 of 2 posted
yesterday by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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I love 'Pink Peace'. It's another that got virused through the years. The clean ones are glorious.
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#2 of 2 posted
today by
Bug_girl
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It is Pink Peace as far as I've ID'd it correctly. The fragrance is lovely. Also, no virus so far! Got a cutting from some neighbors who had been married 74 years by the time I met them!
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3 AUG 22 by
Hamanasu
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Would anyone growing this rose care to describe its scent? Is it citrusy, fruity/peachy, quintessentially rose, licorice-like, tea-like, clove-like, or something else? If you could compare it to other well-scented roses you grow, that would help. This is one of Fragrant Cloud's parents and the other parent (I think) was not known for its strong scent, so chances are PB is primarily responsible for FC's fragrance. OK, it might not be that simple, I guess, but is PB's scent similar to FC's?
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27 JAN by
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#2 of 1 posted
yesterday by
HeelinRoses
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I'm growing Prima Ballerina for the first time this year and I would say it has an average scent although it's fairly noticeable and a bit sweet when sniffed. Not especially fruity or exciting and I don't recommend it.
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