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'Arrillaga' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 119-805
most recent 15 JAN 20 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 14 JAN 20 by HubertG
I came across this in Father Schoener's own publication 'World's Best Roses' 1930.

"ARRELLAGA, HP. Large glowing pink buds and gigantic flowers of vivid pink with a light golden glow. Very fragrant and lasting. Long stems, and the plant blooms with great abundance. Foliage very handsome and healthy. Partly of Rosa Gigantea. $2.00."

I thought the reference to some Gigantea breeding was interesting as it isn't usually quoted in the pedigree. I guess the only room for the Gigantea is in the seedling with Centifolia breeding crossed with 'Mrs John Laing'.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 14 JAN 20 by jedmar
Thank you for the reference. This and other Schoener rose references added from the 1933 Edition.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 14 JAN 20 by HubertG
You're welcome, I noticed there were several Schoener roses not in the database. Thanks for adding them.
He certainly liked very disparate crosses. I can well believe R. gigantea is in 'Arrilaga' going by his other work. Look at 'Pittsburgh' which has similar lines.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 14 JAN 20 by jedmar
"Seedling of Provence Rose" in the seed parent seems strange. Does it really say so in the 1930 catalogue? The combination Frau Karl Druschki/John Laing/R. gigantea in a different version can also be found in 'Pittsburgh'
Reply #4 of 5 posted 14 JAN 20 by HubertG
No, the only mention of its background in the 1930 publication is the reference posted above with the Gigantea breeding.
In his 1922 "general catalog" I find this on page 37:
"Arrillaga, H. T. Seedling of Province Rose X Mrs. John Laing X Frau Karl Druski, clear pink color, very large size of flower, wood and foliage. Should surely do well almost anywhere in the country. A mere garden rose."
No mention of R. gigantea, no bracketing in the parentage, and spelling with an 'i'.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 15 JAN 20 by jedmar
Isn't that strange?
Discussion id : 83-655
most recent 12 MAR 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 12 MAR 15 by goncmg
Suddenly I am in love with pink. And have wanted this one for a while. Worried it will not repeat bloom as opinions seem to vary. Does anyone else in a humid, 6a have any info to share?
Discussion id : 38-200
most recent 25 JUL 09 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 25 JUL 09 by Patricia Routley
There are lots of beautiful bloom pictures, but none of the bush habit. Does anybody have any pictures? And does 'Arrillaga' set hips?
Reply #1 of 4 posted 25 JUL 09 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Patricia, 'Arrillaga' has a lax growth habit and requires support to grow tall. This said the old specimen at Sequoia Nursery must have been at least twenty feet tall growing up into an old tree. My specimen is over 10 year old and I've never observed a hip. It could be my climate is too warm to initiate hip formation for this cultivar. 'Arrillaga' is essentially a once bloomer for me. It is very beautiful.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 25 JUL 09 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Robert. That once-blooming doesn't quite jell wth the foundling I am thinking of. My foundlings only seem to bring to maturity one or two hips per bush and the pedicel mostly seems to have an S-bend. Do your 'Arrillaga' flowers end up like these blackened blobs?
Reply #3 of 4 posted 25 JUL 09 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Pat, I can't rule out 'Arrillaga' from your photo. We shouldn't rely too heavily on the tendency for my specimen to blossom only once. Many roses which are said to repeat in other climates do not repeat here, apparently due to climactic conditions.

Reply #4 of 4 posted 25 JUL 09 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Robert. I was trying to rule out 'Arrillaga' as a possibility for the "Pippie's Pottery Pink" mob (and which I have seen about 12 feet high up a wire fence). My notes on "PPP's" season say: Nov 13, 2007 good blooming; Jan 30, 2007 heavy blooming; March 4, 2007 10 blooms. It is challenging comparing roses from one of the wettest towns in Western Australia, to a rose that grows in the desert in America.
Discussion id : 8-449
most recent 24 JUL 09 SHOW ALL
Initial post 7 MAY 05 by William Grant
Named for Don Jose Arrillaga, twice Spanish governor of California. Buried at the Mission of Soledad. The large freeway sign in Santa Barbara has the name misspelled - Arrellaga!

Reply #1 of 2 posted 24 JUL 09 by Jeff Britt
I've always had a "thing" for this rose -- at its best it's a stunner. It's nice to know how it got its name. What a cruel irony that the freeway sign is misspelled, especially since there seems to be some confusion about the spelling amongst the great rose collections.
Reply #4 of 2 posted 24 JUL 09 by HMF Admin
See the HMF Ezine article "Schoener's ‘ARRILLAGA’" by William Grant (DEC 2005) about this rose.
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