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'Baby Faurax' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 113-661
most recent 7 JUN 20 SHOW ALL
Initial post 22 OCT 18 by Plazbo
In it's second year now and it has exploded in blooms.
Just random observations.
There was a minor to bad bout of powdery mildew (primarily around flower buds), but no other health issues so far.
Every flower seems to set a hip, the hips only have 1 or 2 seeds each....getting the seeds out of the tiny hips is a little tricky. Seeds germinate fairly well.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 22 OCT 18 by styrax
From personal experience, if you want somewhat greater seed set pollinate several times. I usually do a whole truss, so the low seed count is not too much of an issue.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 7 JUN 20 by Plazbo
Just an update on the above for anyone who may be interested in the future.

Can confirm that with active pollination or outcrossing with compatible pollen (was originally surrounded by rugosa, now has china, tea's and poly's around it) that seed count per hip can significantly increase, from 1 or 2 seed to hips with up to ~12 seed. Combine that with near constant cluster flower's a lot of seed.
Discussion id : 114-581
most recent 15 NOV 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 24 DEC 18 by Patricia Routley
My 2018 just-for-fun crop of ‘Baby Faurax’ seeds were picked on March 10 from a tiny plant growing almost underneath ‘Hermosa’. Close by is ‘Orleans Rose’ and ‘Mrs. Alston’s Rose’ but I am conscious that a bee can fly a long way even when laden down with pollen. They were placed intact in the crisper and on April 22 they were shelled and planted into potting mix. By August 8 I had pricked out 20 little babies. Two died and I am left with 18. 16 are repeat flowering of which:
2 are red - one is an attractive double, and one is an incurved single (not so good)
3 are whitish or very pale pink and all are awful, almost malformed.
11 are all about the same dark pink, so much so that I resorted to names like Huey, Dewie and Louie for some. Most of them are attractive double blooms and one ‘Wink Blink’ reminds me strongly of ‘Veilchenblau’ blooms.
2 did not flower but have made stronger and longer growth with one cane up to 2 metres. Does this mean these two (‘Whipper Snapper’ and ‘Jack’) are going to be spring flowering only climbers?
Reply #1 of 6 posted 14 NOV 19 by Plazbo
Im curious about the two once bloomers, were they significantly more vigorous and look like straight multiflora.

I have a few this season that are 8x -12x bigger than their siblings and look straight multiflora (no flowers yet though) but nothing i had last season would account for that, so potentially selfing which may collaborate the theory of it being a dwarf Veilchenblau
Reply #2 of 6 posted 15 NOV 19 by Patricia Routley
I am seeing ‘Whipper Snapper’ and ‘Jack’ 2018 for the first time this season (Nov 2019). I don't know if they are going to repeat or not. They are both single but they were significantly more vigorous than the others in their early life and were the only two not to flower in their first year.

I have been meaning to upload photos of them all - I'll get to it soon. Others from 2010 are quite vigorous shrubs by now.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 15 NOV 19 by Patricia Routley
Here are the 2010 'Baby Faurax' x unknown seedlings.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 15 NOV 19 by Patricia Routley
Here are the 2016 'Baby Faurax' x unknown seedlings.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 15 NOV 19 by Patricia Routley
Here (eventually) are the 2017 'Baby Faurax' x unknown seedlings. Only two that year as the parrots ate the hips and I swept up their crumbs from the verandah).
Reply #6 of 6 posted 15 NOV 19 by Patricia Routley
Here are nine of the eighteen 2018 'Baby Faurax' x unknown seedlings.
Discussion id : 117-188
most recent 14 JUN 19 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 14 JUN 19 by jedmar
'Baby Faurax' cannot be bred by Léonard Lille, as he died in 1913 at the age of 82. Candidates for the breeder are his son Louis Lille, or the latter's son-in-law Joseph Faurax-Lille, who married Jeanne Lille in 1917 and took over the Léonard Lille grain business by 1921. The rose 'Mme Faurax-Lille' would have been dedicated to Jean Lille, the roses 'Elisabeth Faurax' and 'Louis Faurax' probably to children of the pair. 'Baby Faurax' would have been either Elisabeth or Louis.
Discussion id : 70-193
most recent 26 DEC 18 SHOW ALL
Initial post 24 FEB 13
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 25 FEB 13 by Patricia Routley
A diploid = 14 chromosomes.
Many garden roses are tetraploid (28 chromosomes)
So if a diploid (14) is crossed with a tetraploid (28), [28 + 14 = 42 then half that] the result will be a triploid (21). As this is not an even number, some chromosomes are left without an opposite number to pair with, which will create difficulties in trying to breed with a triploid. Have I got that right?
Here are photos of my ‘Baby Faurax’ seedlings two years down the track (see photos previous 'Baby Faurax' comment). A quick look at my seedlings this morning show all are bearing hips. The above para might mean that these seedlings are infertile. But then again, what if the unknown pollen parent was something compatible.
Nobody answer this please. I can barely understand my own muddlings.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 25 FEB 13 by A Rose Man
I don't want to confuse you here, and I'm sorry to reply despite you asking people not to; but:

Your seedlings could be self pollinations which would likely make them diploid.

If they are triploids they can still be fertile to a degree. Some triploids are extremely fertile so fertility isn't a reliable inductor that a rose is triploid.

And it's also possible for dilpoids to produce unreduced gametes (14 chromosome) in their pollen and ovules so some of the seedlings could be tetraploid.

The only way to be sure is to have them tested. Or you could not worry over it and enjoy them for what they are. Some of the most iconic names of the rose breeding world completely ignored the ploidy of the roses they worked with. They just made the crosses and let the roses worry over fertility.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 26 FEB 13 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Mr. Rose Man. Very good advice. However, it is not worry, but interest - and a good deal of love. This little ‘Baby Tooth’ is my favourite - and just look at that ageing! Something only a mother could love.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 26 FEB 13 by A Rose Man
I'm not a big fan of roses that hold their petals to their last breath, but the bloom colour is lovely, and some very popular roses have that tenancy, so I'm sure you're not the only person who would love your ‘Baby Tooth’.

I have a few flawed progeny around myself that I'm more than a little fond of. I've even gone as far as listing one called 'Valmai' on helpmefind. The poor thing blackspots horribly, but it's still one of my favourite seedlings.

With regards to ploidy I must admit that I try to keep things at the diploid level. But that's because rugosas are my main focus. I produced quite a number of triploid rugosa hybrids when I first started hybridising, but they were all dead ends, so for my purposes diploids are more desirable. I am however planing to produce a number of triploids over the next few years to bring desirable traits down from tetraploids to the diploid level for crossing into rugosas. I've also ordered a few triploid cultivars this season for the same purpose.

In the end though, all that really matters is the roses you select as parents work with you in achieving your goals. Mr Moor's unrestrained imagination and "the rose will find the way" philosophy made him one of the greats. And Kim has certainly been very successfully in following that philosophy.
Reply #7 of 6 posted 26 DEC 18 by ms_margaret
Baby tooth is pretty to me.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 26 FEB 13 by Kim Rupert
Hi Patricia, yes, it's possible your seedlings could be diploid or even triploid, but seriously, don't worry about it. As Rose Man offered, some very prolific, well known and successful hybridizers pay no attention to ploidy. Ralph Moore and from a recent interview in the Rose Hybridizers Association newsletter, William Radler (Knock Out's daddy), to name just two. As Mr. Moore loved to say, "the rose will find the way!" and believe me, they usually do.

Early infertility problems in Tea crosses were chalked up to their being triploid, but as has been consistently seen, many triploids are wonderfully fertile, so I believe the Tea fertility issues were likely due to some other issues. Mr. Moore's Golden Angel is triploid and it has been used successfully with many roses. My own Lynnie is triploid and you would be very hard pressed to find another rose with greater fertility and excellent germination.

Personally, I don't usually pay attention to ploidy in planning crosses. I may look out of interest, but more often than not, as Mr. Moore repeatedly stated, the rose does find the way. Good luck!
Reply #6 of 6 posted 26 FEB 13 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Kim and Rose Man. One of these days when I get to 94 and too old for all this [ahem, worrying] and gardening and hard-work nonsense, I am going to live in a unit and have my balcony jam-packed with pots of Ralph Moore’s miniatures. That should keep me happy.

Roses spring up here in this acid soil garden like fleas on a dog’s back. Mostly I just hoe them out, but a few get away from me and I leave them to bloom. I get a bit of amusement from the names, like the pink single multiflora/‘Menja’ lookalike which sprang up under ‘Honey Flow’ and that I’ve called ‘Bloomin Routley!’ and the seedling which looked very much like ‘Thisbe’ copped the name of ‘Fizzbee’. Its good fun!
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