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'Nachtfalter' rose Reviews & Comments
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There seem to be two roses circulating under this name - one dark red and one dark purple. I have just uploaded a picture that I took at Sangerhausen ten days ago, which is different from the ones uploaded there by Cyra in 2008. 'Nachtfalter' is not a cultivar that I have seen in other gardens. It used to grow at the Dortmund Rosarium, but is not (I think) at Bagatelle in Paris or the Fineschi garden in Italy. Can anyone explain the apparent contradiction? The Welt der Rosen website suggests that the dark purple cv is correct.
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#1 of 4 posted
18 JUL 22 by
 Jay-Jay
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The rose on Your photo (taken in Sangerhausen) Mr. Quest-Ritson seems bright red to me and not dark red.
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#2 of 4 posted
18 JUL 22 by
Jay-Jay
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My rose is dark red and when ageing (on a vase) getting a purple hue. Just like Étoile de Hollande Cl. does for me.
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That's very interesting. I have never seen the colour of a red rose change to purple in autumn. Many roses are darker when they reflower but 'Etoile de Hollande' is still red in autumn in northern Europe, with no trace of purple. But does your 'Nachtfalter' have red flowers when it flowers in spring/summer? The pictures taken on 23 June 2008 that Cyra uploaded to HMF are purple, which is why I wonder whether two different cvs are circulating under the same name.
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#4 of 4 posted
21 JUL 22 by
Jay-Jay
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Not in autumn... in a vase it gets a purple/blueish hue! Inside in the kitchen on the counter.
In summer/the sun the flowers of Étoile de Hollande get brighter red, but the flowers of my Nachtfalter are always dark red.
I do not know anything about two cultivars... What I do know is, that a lot of digital camera's are struggling to get the color red of roses right. Most of the time the red is too bright. The trick is, not to photograph in full sunlight, or in early morning/late evening light.
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The cutting I received from Jay Jay earlier this year is now flowering wonderfully dark and scented. I am seriously considering chucking out 'Munstead Wood' which is a rubbish grower for me and replacing it with this rose.
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Munstead Wood is MUCH, MUCH HEALTHIER as OWN-ROOT. I accidentally rooted a few Austin roses when I dumped dirt on them for winter-protection, then found a bunch of babies growing out of the low-lying branches (with dirt on top). I bought Munstead Wood as own-root .. never see blackspot on it, but local rose-park has Munstead Wood grafted-on-Dr.Huey, it's a blackspot-fest, few leaves & ugly bush. As own-root, Munstead Wood likes it alkaline .. it's very healthy topped with horse-manure (pH 8, with shell-lime).
Own-roots start out as cluster & shallow & light hairy root, so they thrive in wet & loamy & light & acidic soil. As they get older, roots become woodier, and need more alkaline minerals & higher pH. But grafted-roses are ALREADY on woody & chunky & big root, and prefer alkaline & heavy soil right away. No matter what, own-roots are always healthier than grafted & can handle tons of acidic rain better than Dr.Huey-rootstock.
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Well in that case I'll take all the cuttings I can off the 'Munstead Wood' before I burn it then try it on its own roots.
In the description of Munstead Wood on HMF it is described as a "mansion", its hardly that, rather more a reasonably sized arts and crafts style house, but not a mansion.
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Thanks Andrew. Description of the property now reads: house and garden.
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Does anyone have an opinion as to this rose's parentage?
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Crimson Glory perhaps?
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I posted a comment at Nachtfalter, but the comment doesn't show up at New / Recent. (Recent Member Comments, Questions and Answers)
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It is there Jay-Jay and on the second page on my screen.
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#2 of 2 posted
11 JAN 17 by
Jay-Jay
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Now I can see it on the third page. But after posting it, it seemed lost.
A tricky website this is... playing hide and seek ;-)
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