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'R. carolina' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 119-456
most recent 21 DEC HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 DEC by Jonathan Windham
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Discussion id : 113-843
most recent 2 NOV 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 1 NOV 18 by pkalisz
I have a large patch of species roses derived from cuttings taken from wild plants of R. carolina and from an R. palustris plant purchased from a NC garden. They were placed on opposite sides of a wet drainage area but have since blended together. I was initially surprised that R. carolina seemed to more vigorously invade the wet area through suckers than did R. palustris. My question now is how to tell the species apart as they are very much alike in terms of appearance of stems, leaves, flowers, hips and prickles; phenology; size; etc. "Plant Life of Kentucky" by Ron Jones separates them by 5-7 leaf teeth per cm that are 1 mm high (R. carolina) versus 9-11 teeth per cm that are 0.5 mm high (R. palustris). This is not working for me. I would appreciate any suggestions or insights as to how these two species may be distinguished.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 2 NOV 18 by jedmar
There is a key to American species in Flora of North America:
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=318049

Comparing R. palustris (11) with R. carolina (13):
R. palustris: Terminal leaflet margins...serrulate; teeth 20-30 per side; auricles erect, rarely flared...
R. carolina (and R. foliolosa & R. virginiana): Terminal leaflets margins serrate, 8-18(-23) per side; auricles flared...

Now this needs some graphics. See here:
https://eflora.library.sydney.edu.au/glossary/image/
It means that R. palustris leaves have very fine teeth on the edges, R. carolina maybe half as many.

The auricles refer to where the leaf is attached to the stem:
http://caes2.caes.uga.edu/commodities/turfgrass/georgiaturf/Turfgras/1130_DiagramParts.htm

Hope that helps.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 2 NOV 18 by pkalisz
Thanks, jedmar. Based on this key all my plants are R. carolina; the plant I purchased as R. palustris must have been mis-labelled. What I find interesting is that the R. carolina is aggressively spreading into a wet drain occupied by Southern Cattail (Typha domingensis Pers.) and other wet site species. It's hard to imagine that R. palustris could be more adapted to wet soils than this. I will get some true R. palustris and plant them to compare. I appreciate your help. Paul
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Discussion id : 111-474
most recent 14 JUN 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 13 JUN 18 by JasonSims1984
So I have heard from a few people that this rose reblooms. I personally haven't seen it, but I think this rose gets confused with virginiana. That's probably why my "carolina" isn't working. Lol. I poked it with a stick and it didn't do nothin'!
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 14 JUN 18 by Margaret Furness
Perhaps you could try the chainsaw dance...
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Discussion id : 96-603
most recent 29 DEC 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 29 DEC 16 by Sambolingo
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