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Initial post 29 JUN 20 by Andrew from Dolton
Does anyone know what this rose might be? It is growing in several gardens in my village in Devon, UK. It grows in a similar way to 'Dorothy Perkins' or 'Excelsa'. The flowers open light pink but fade to white. The occasional flower has a few darker pink petals others with a few white petals
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 29 JUN 20 by Palustris
Andrew, that's the closest rose yet to 'Debutante' that you have found. Check out the pedicels on your found rose and compare them to the photos of 'Debutante' taken in Woods Hole, MA.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 29 JUN 20 by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you. But it is quite different to the 'Debutante' we grow in the UK
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 29 JUN 20 by Palustris
Andrew, I know that. That's why I thought you would be interested in comparing your found rose to the 'Debutante' that has a provenance directly to Walsh and has been growing in the same spot for 100 years.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 2 JUL 20 by Andrew from Dolton
Do you think this rose could be 'White Dorothy Perkins'?
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 2 JUL 20 by Palustris
The easiest method to determine 'White Dorothy' is to look for it to sport back and forth from white to pink. Another marker for both Dorothies is to look at the new growth. It is generally a "bronze" color. The flower in the photo doesn't look dark enough pink to be pink 'Dorothy Perkins'. I don't recall seeing varying shades of white to pink. I think they are generally either white or bubblegum pink. Finally, check out the pedicels; the Dorothies might have a few tiny hairs, but never a profusion of bristles.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 2 JUL 20 by Andrew from Dolton
Is this too hairy? It does have the odd flower with a few darker pink flowers (No 5 picture in my first post) but the colour looks too dark for 'Dorothy Perkins'.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 2 JUL 20 by Palustris
Check out the pedicels of DP here:

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.267841
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 3 JUL 20 by Andrew from Dolton
Thanks.
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