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most recent 27 JUN HIDE POSTS
Initial post 26 JUN by Jay-Jay
This-one doesn't match Aloha either! Nor does it look like a climber either on this photo.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 27 JUN by Palustris
Definitely not 'Aloha.'
most recent 27 MAR SHOW ALL
Initial post 1 MAR by Margaret Furness
The current owners tell me their family have grown it since 1942. The flowers are 3-5cm in diameter. They don't think it's scented, which argues against Lady Gay as an ID.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 2 MAR by Patricia Routley
Some people can smell roses. Others (like me) can’t.

There are two ‘Lady Gay’ roses listed in HelpMeFind.
Lady Gay (hybrid wichurana, Walsh, 1903) (Rosa wichuraiana Crép. synonym × Bardou Job)
Lady Gay (hybrid multiflora, Geschwind, 1905) (seedling of Crimson Rambler × Unknown)

Walsh’s rose is likely to be fragrant, because ‘Bardou Job’ was fragrant.
Geschwind’s rose is likely to not be fragrant, because Turner’s ‘Crimson Rambler’ wasn’t.

Despite Geschwind’s rose being classified as multiflora, (as is ‘Turner’s ‘Crimson Rambler’)
if the pollen parent of Geschwind’s rose was R. wichurana, the resulting offspring might look a wich as does
‘Evangeline’ and ‘Excelsa’. I wish we knew more about Geschwind’s ‘Lady Gay’.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 6 MAR by Palustris
Yes, it is true: we do not all detect fragrance in the same way. I can't detect China rose scent, but can detect the scent of most OGRs with a "damask" scent. I don't remember scent on 'Lady Gay', but it won't flower for another four months for me so can't check. I lost my own LG but know a big hedge of it an hour away. The Walsh roses that have scent that carries in the air are 'Evangeline' and 'Nokomis'.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 27 MAR by Patricia Routley
Margaret, I feel sure you have said somewhere (?private email) that “Loveday” is prickly.
Johno has sent me a 1969 Sedunarys Upper Murray Nursery catalogue. This nursery was at Loveday S.A. They listed ‘Pinkie Climbing’ which apparently is thornless.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 27 MAR by Margaret Furness
Yes wich-prickly: and once-flowering, so it's not Cl Pinkie.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 27 MAR by Patricia Routley
most recent 8 MAR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 MAR by Jonathan Windham
Does anyone know the parentage of 'Bella Nitida'? Or have any way to ask the breeder? It looks very similar to 'Métis', even though they were introduced 33 years apart.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 8 MAR by Palustris
Even the foliage looks identical to 'Metis'. I was lucky enough to get several seedlings from 'Metis' that look quite similar. Maybe it is a 'Metis' seedling.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 8 MAR by Jonathan Windham
Very possible! Thank you for your input.
most recent 21 FEB HIDE POSTS
Initial post 20 FEB by Margaret Furness
Would people who grow this rose, please look at "Loveday" to see if it matches. Lady Gay reached Australia but was not included in the 1996 Australian Rose Directory: presumably it was no longer in commerce then.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 21 FEB by Palustris
I have seen the color change from pink to white on 'Lady Gay'. The pedicles look correct as well with just sprinkle of bristles. One characteristic for LG is a "halo" of lighter petals surrounding the darker ones as illustrated in a couple of my photos under that rose.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 FEB by Margaret Furness
Thank you. Some photos of "Loveday" show that feature, and I think the suggestion of Lady Gay (which came from Patricia) is a good one.
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