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Initial post 7 MAY 22 by Michael Garhart
I feel confident that this rose is from Graham Thomas, or at least a near-Charles Austin descendent. I think GT is correct, though. I am unsure what else this rose could be.

Grew it when it was new, it mildewed, and I dumped it. I have had both Yellow Brick Road and Yellow Submarine for more than a decade now, and I find them far more preferable.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 8 MAY 22 by Palustris
Are you asserting it is from Graham Thomas or from 'Graham Thomas'?
Reply #2 of 6 posted 9 MAY 22 by Patricia Routley
Mr. Graham Thomas was not interested in breeding roses I understand. He died in 2003.
Michael would have been referring to the <2007 rose ‘Graham Thomas’.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 9 MAY 22 by Lee H.
Patricia, I wonder then if we should reconsider his profile statement in HMF: “Rose and peony author and breeder” ?
Reply #5 of 6 posted 9 MAY 22 by Patricia Routley
Yes of course. Breeder deleted. Thanks Lee H.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 9 MAY 22 by Michael Garhart
Yes, sorry, from the rose of that name.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 9 days ago by Michael Garhart
No, I said I feel like it is, not that I know it is.
most recent 8 JUN SHOW ALL
Initial post 12 JUL 10 by kev
the rose pictured here is pink.Duc de Fitzjames is not this colour.It is a deep violet/purple and dark crimson red.
Reply #1 of 9 posted 13 MAY 12 by MelissaPej
The 'Vintage Book of Roses' says that there are two plants in commerce called 'Duc de Fitzjames', one darker than the other. Mine is lilac pink, similar to the flowers I see in the photos. My plant came from 'La Campanella' in Italy, but I don't know where they got their mother plant. According to Vintage the darker-flowered variety is likelier to be the correct one.
Reply #2 of 9 posted 13 MAY 12 by HMF Admin
Interesting, thanks for taking the time to sharing this insight with HelpMeFind. Just what HMF is all about - a tool to collect and disseminate gardening information to a participating online community.
Reply #3 of 9 posted 31 JUL 18 by jedmar
La Campanella has many of their Gallicas from Cour de Commer - the collection of François Joyaux. 'Duc de Fitzjames' in commerce is often 'Mme Lauriol de Barny', a Bourbon rose.
Reply #4 of 9 posted 3 AUG 18 by MelissaPej
I don't have 'Mme. Lauriol de Barny' in the garden and haven't seen it, at least not identified as such. I took a look at the newest page of photos of this variety on HMF, and, though I haven't made a careful comparison, right now I wouldn't swear that the rose I see in the photos isn't my 'Duc de Fitzjames'. My rose is a good tough variety with opulent blooms, coming easily from cuttings, has never reflowered later in the season, and gets some fungal disease after blooming, though not enough to do it any harm. Lanky in growth; thorny. I'm fond of it, mainly because of the very handsome blooms combined with the ability to flourish in quite poor conditions.
Reply #5 of 9 posted 4 AUG 18 by jedmar
Melissa, it would be very helpful if you could post some photos of your 'Duc de Fitzjames' on HMF.
Reply #6 of 9 posted 16 AUG 18 by MelissaPej
I'm a reluctant photographer (and this isn't the season anyway). I wanted to add to my description that my 'Duc de Fitzjames' sets hips, which are rounded oval, about 2cm wide and slightly longer, and smooth, the orifice not wide, sepals not persistent. They haven't matured yet so I don't know their color. A final note: my rose has long-lived canes, and suckers out, slowly and not aggressively.
Reply #7 of 9 posted 28 MAY by Emily W.
I came here to check on the color of this rose because last year it was a medium to light pink and this year it's quite dark with violet undertones. Would anyone know what would change the color.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 8 JUN by Palustris
Is this rose on its own roots or is it grafted? Sometimes the rootstock of a grafted plant will send up its own cane that would be a different color than the scion.
Reply #9 of 9 posted 8 JUN by Emily W.
It's an own root that I bought as a cutting 3 years ago from High Country Roses. As he has come into full bloom, they seemed to have lightened a little, ut still not as light as they were last year. I will try to post a picture from a few days ago.
most recent 22 MAR SHOW ALL
Initial post 24 JAN 22 by Margaret Furness
What a fool of a name to give it. Confusing for novices who may think it's Quatre Saisons.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 24 JAN 22 by Palustris
As we used to say in my computer marketing days: that's not a bug, it's a feature.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 22 MAR by Huyustus
A little history... The name of this rose is a reference to the work of Antonio Vivaldi.
most recent 27 JUN 23 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 26 JUN 23 by Jay-Jay
This-one doesn't match Aloha either! Nor does it look like a climber either on this photo.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 27 JUN 23 by Palustris
Definitely not 'Aloha.'
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