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Palustris 
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The current owners tell me their family have grown it since 1942. The flowers are 3-5cm in diameter. They don't think it's scented, which argues against Lady Gay as an ID.
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Some people can smell roses. Others (like me) can’t.
There are two ‘Lady Gay’ roses listed in HelpMeFind.
Lady Gay (hybrid wichurana, Walsh, 1903) (Rosa wichuraiana Crép. synonym × Bardou Job)
Lady Gay (hybrid multiflora, Geschwind, 1905) (seedling of Crimson Rambler × Unknown)
Walsh’s rose is likely to be fragrant, because ‘Bardou Job’ was fragrant.
Geschwind’s rose is likely to not be fragrant, because Turner’s ‘Crimson Rambler’ wasn’t.
Despite Geschwind’s rose being classified as multiflora, (as is ‘Turner’s ‘Crimson Rambler’)
if the pollen parent of Geschwind’s rose was R. wichurana, the resulting offspring might look a wich as does
‘Evangeline’ and ‘Excelsa’. I wish we knew more about Geschwind’s ‘Lady Gay’.
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Yes, it is true: we do not all detect fragrance in the same way. I can't detect China rose scent, but can detect the scent of most OGRs with a "damask" scent. I don't remember scent on 'Lady Gay', but it won't flower for another four months for me so can't check. I lost my own LG but know a big hedge of it an hour away. The Walsh roses that have scent that carries in the air are 'Evangeline' and 'Nokomis'.
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Margaret, I feel sure you have said somewhere (?private email) that “Loveday” is prickly.
Johno has sent me a 1969 Sedunarys Upper Murray Nursery catalogue. This nursery was at Loveday S.A. They listed ‘Pinkie Climbing’ which apparently is thornless.
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Yes wich-prickly: and once-flowering, so it's not Cl Pinkie.
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Palustris, would you please check whether Lady Gay is scented, if you can visit the hedge next month.
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It will be about six weeks before Lady Gay flowers here. I'm looking forward to the ramblers blooming.
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As of time of writing, all the color photos posted are of a very pink rose. 'James Sprunt' should be some shade of crimson.
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A quick check in 'The Old Rose Advisor' (by BCD) reveals two descriptions of the color of 'James Sprunt': "Carmine red just the same as its parent. (Cramoisi Superieur)"; and ";Deep cherry red flowers, rich and velvety,";
So it would seem that all the photographs provided by one person, with no provenance given for the rose, are incorrect.
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Much to my surprise, I have found one description of 'James Sprunt' which imbibes no shade of red: "Bright salmon; valuable as a pillar rose." Ferry-Morse Seed Company catalog, 1883, p. 125. My guess is that Ferry-Morse's supplier got some roses mixed up; but . . . who knows?
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I feel confident that this rose is from Graham Thomas, or at least a near-Charles Austin descendent. I think GT is correct, though. I am unsure what else this rose could be.
Grew it when it was new, it mildewed, and I dumped it. I have had both Yellow Brick Road and Yellow Submarine for more than a decade now, and I find them far more preferable.
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Are you asserting it is from Graham Thomas or from 'Graham Thomas'?
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Mr. Graham Thomas was not interested in breeding roses I understand. He died in 2003.
Michael would have been referring to the <2007 rose ‘Graham Thomas’.
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#4 of 6 posted
9 MAY 22 by
Lee H.
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Patricia, I wonder then if we should reconsider his profile statement in HMF: “Rose and peony author and breeder” ?
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Yes of course. Breeder deleted. Thanks Lee H.
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Yes, sorry, from the rose of that name.
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No, I said I feel like it is, not that I know it is.
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12 JUL 10 by
kev
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the rose pictured here is pink.Duc de Fitzjames is not this colour.It is a deep violet/purple and dark crimson red.
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The 'Vintage Book of Roses' says that there are two plants in commerce called 'Duc de Fitzjames', one darker than the other. Mine is lilac pink, similar to the flowers I see in the photos. My plant came from 'La Campanella' in Italy, but I don't know where they got their mother plant. According to Vintage the darker-flowered variety is likelier to be the correct one.
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Interesting, thanks for taking the time to sharing this insight with HelpMeFind. Just what HMF is all about - a tool to collect and disseminate gardening information to a participating online community.
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#3 of 9 posted
31 JUL 18 by
jedmar
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La Campanella has many of their Gallicas from Cour de Commer - the collection of François Joyaux. 'Duc de Fitzjames' in commerce is often 'Mme Lauriol de Barny', a Bourbon rose.
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I don't have 'Mme. Lauriol de Barny' in the garden and haven't seen it, at least not identified as such. I took a look at the newest page of photos of this variety on HMF, and, though I haven't made a careful comparison, right now I wouldn't swear that the rose I see in the photos isn't my 'Duc de Fitzjames'. My rose is a good tough variety with opulent blooms, coming easily from cuttings, has never reflowered later in the season, and gets some fungal disease after blooming, though not enough to do it any harm. Lanky in growth; thorny. I'm fond of it, mainly because of the very handsome blooms combined with the ability to flourish in quite poor conditions.
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#5 of 9 posted
4 AUG 18 by
jedmar
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Melissa, it would be very helpful if you could post some photos of your 'Duc de Fitzjames' on HMF.
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I'm a reluctant photographer (and this isn't the season anyway). I wanted to add to my description that my 'Duc de Fitzjames' sets hips, which are rounded oval, about 2cm wide and slightly longer, and smooth, the orifice not wide, sepals not persistent. They haven't matured yet so I don't know their color. A final note: my rose has long-lived canes, and suckers out, slowly and not aggressively.
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#7 of 9 posted
28 MAY 24 by
Emily W.
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I came here to check on the color of this rose because last year it was a medium to light pink and this year it's quite dark with violet undertones. Would anyone know what would change the color.
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Is this rose on its own roots or is it grafted? Sometimes the rootstock of a grafted plant will send up its own cane that would be a different color than the scion.
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#9 of 9 posted
8 JUN 24 by
Emily W.
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It's an own root that I bought as a cutting 3 years ago from High Country Roses. As he has come into full bloom, they seemed to have lightened a little, ut still not as light as they were last year. I will try to post a picture from a few days ago.
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