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Agnis
most recent 2 MAY HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 2 MAY by Agnis
Available from - Rogue Valley Roses is where I bought mine. Out of stock at the moment.
https://roguevalleyroses.com/?s=paul+&post_type=product
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most recent 11 SEP 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 17 JAN 17 by Agnis
There is also a Frances Meilland, which doesn't seem to be in your database. Introduced by Meilland in 2013.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 17 JAN 17 by jedmar
It is the same as 'Francis Meilland'. Some US nurseries call it "Frances".
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 17 JAN 17 by Agnis
Well isn't that silly! Weeks Roses is pretending Frances Meilland was introduced in 2013, when Francis Meilland was introduced in 1996. They both have the same patent number 19970, so they are the same rose, except that Francis is 4 ft tall and Frances is 6 ft tall. Frances M is a patented variety. So strange.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 18 JAN 17 by jedmar
Weeks probably introduced it in 2013 in the USA, but its first introduction in Europe was 2006, i.e. 10 years after it was bred. Very often breeders state too low heights for the roses they are freshly introducing. This can have several reasons: Not many years' experience how tall a rose can become; but also, Marketing reasons, as roses which are 3-4' tall seem to be more popular for smaller gardens - not everyone wants a 6-8' monster! e.g. my English Roses were regularly a multiple of what the breeder stated!
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 11 SEP 17 by Lavenderlace
I planted FM last summer own-root, expecting three feet at maturity. He's now eight feet tall with a mid-summer pruning. The flowers are gorgeous and long lasting in the vase in spite of the unfortunate height. I hope he can deal with being moved to a more suitable location!
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Initial post 22 JUN 17 by Agnis
I don't understand what the post from Patricia Routley has to do with Gruss an Zabern not being available at Heirloom Roses. Patricia, if it is you who posted that, what is the message?

Ellen Smart
Ridgefield, WA
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 22 JUN 17 by Patricia Routley
Sorry Ellen, I should have added a few more words to be clear. I have been doing a little bit of volunteer administrating on HelpMeFind for about 11 years now and sometimes time gets away from me and I am reduced to taking shortcuts by just saying "Thanks". As you advised in your previous post, I deleted 'Gruss an Zabern' from Heirloom's nursery listing, and added 'Gruss an Aachen'.
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most recent 22 JUN 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 JUN 17 by Agnis
Heirloom roses does not have Gruss an Zabern available. They have Gruss an Aachen
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 22 JUN 17 by Patricia Routley
Thanks
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