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Initial post 20 FEB 14 by Michael Garhart
I wish there were articles or documentation about how the Southern European countries began striped roses. It is obvious that they began before roses like Scentimental hit the market, so it makes me wonder if there is a story to tell.
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 2 APR by mtspace
Ferdinand Pichard has bee around for a long time. It lurks in the ancestry of Oranges 'n' Lemons as it does in the ancestry of Scentimental.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 2 APR by Andrew from Dolton
Do you think they could ultimately all descend from Rosa gallica 'Versicolor'? Are there any striped roses without any gallica blood in them at all?
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 3 APR by Lyn G
Andrew ...

You may be interested in this article written by Ralph Moore:

http://www.paulbardenroses.com/moorestripe.html
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 3 APR by Michael Garhart
Yes, some teas are striped.

FP is related to other H.Perpetuals. They share an odd type of feathery, pointed foliage, which is kind of interesting.

I am not completely convinced virus is the only source. Maybe it's just a simple mutation. I think most of my frustration is that there is no lineage bridges from of the original modern roses (gallics, for example) to the early 1900s.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 3 APR by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you Lyn that was really informative.
Michael are the stripy Teas pure Teas? The foliage of 'Ferdinand Pichard' is also a pale colour too similar to certain others. The gaps in the family trees are as annoying as with "blue" roses too.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted today by Michael Garhart
It's not possible to know. Many lines ends in information between 1800 and 1850.

I am guessing that striping is a form of incomplete inheritance in some lines of roses. I am also guessing that bicolors further disambiguate the incompletion.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted today by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Ralph Moore introduced modern striped genetics via, 'Ferdinard Pichard'.

I was around and knew him at the time. All modern striped roses descend from his work.

They created quite a stir and they still do.
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Initial post today by Michael Garhart
SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

[0002] The new variety of Rosa hybrida Climbing Rose Plant of the present invention was created by during May 2005 at Klein Offenseth-Sparrieshoop, Germany by artificial pollination wherein two parents were crossed which previously had been studied in the hope that they would contribute the desired characteristics. The female parent (i.e., seed parent) of the new variety was the `DELeri` variety (non-patented in the United States). The male parent (i.e., pollen parent) was the (`KORgosumu`x`KORvanaber`) variety (non-patented in the United States).

[0003] The parentage can be summarized as follows:

`DELerr`(`KORgosumu`x`KORvanaber`)

-US PP Application # 20190037745

Weird. Its the same parentage as Limona...
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Initial post today by Michael Garhart
SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

[0002] The new variety of Rosa hybrida Climbing Rose Plant of the present invention was created by during May 2005 at Klein Offenseth-Sparrieshoop, Germany by artificial pollination wherein two parents were crossed which previously had been studied in the hope that they would contribute the desired characteristics. The female parent (i.e., seed parent) of the new variety was the `DELeri` variety (non-patented in the United States). The male parent (i.e., pollen parent) was the (`KORgosumu`x`KORvanaber`) variety (non-patented in the United States).

[0003] The parentage can be summarized as follows:

`DELerr`(`KORgosumu`x`KORvanaber`)

-US PP Application # 20190037746

I'm assuming they mean DELeri (Nahema?)???

Whata mess.
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Initial post today by Michael Garhart
So it seems possible Pink Panther is a triploid based on the ploidy of this.
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