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Initial post 16 JUN 07 by Niels Plougmann
So rare and nice to see the real SDAL!!! Almost all other roses sold as SDAL are Erinnerung an Brod. It took me years to find the real rose. Where did you get yours from?
Reply #1 of 7 posted 16 JUN 07 by Margaret Furness
It's in the biggest rose collection in Australia, Ruston's nursery at Renmark. I don't know where it came from, but will ask David when I go to the nursery for a working bee in July.
Ennering an Brod isn't available in Australia as far as I know, but I've seen it in New Zealand.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 17 JUN 07 by Margaret Furness
Sorry about the spelling error.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 17 JUN 07 by Niels Plougmann
I look forward hearing about where this nursery got their budwood from. I am trying to track down the origin of the original SDAL, which you obviously also are the ovner of. Your rose is the same as the one pictured in Botanicas roses. Which is the real SDAL. I got 3 Erinnerung an Brods before I found the real thing. Did you also Notice among the other pictures here on HMF that some are Erinnerung an Brod? It really confuses other users to be shown the wrong rose, by those who bought Erinnerung an Brod. But of course they think they got the right rose, since it was labeled SDAL.
Reply #4 of 7 posted 25 JUN 07 by Margaret Furness
I wouldn't be surprised if the SDAL in Botanica was the same plant as I photographed - I know that James Young contributed photos to Botanica's Roses, and he has done a lot of photography at Ruston's.
If you want to be confused by wrong identifications, have a look at Tea roses! Mme Lambard, for example, is sold under at least 5 different names in Australia.
Reply #5 of 7 posted 29 JUN 07 by Niels Plougmann
Really interesting information! I hope David will be able to tell where they got the plant from!
And yes I have seen rosariums like Sangerhausen growing the same rose under 4 different names!!! This of course makes it easy to claim you have more than 12000 different roses in the collection.
Reply #6 of 7 posted 9 JUL 07 by Margaret Furness
Unfortunately David doesn't have a record of where his plant came from.
Reply #7 of 7 posted yesterday by Margaret Furness
This plant was in the block of roses recently demolished in favour of a commercial planting.
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Initial post 6 days ago by Patricia Routley
An interesting photo. I don't think we are seeing such creamy yellow tones in Australia.
Reply #1 of 9 posted 6 days ago by Vesfl
This photo was taken last fall and there was some discussion on Gardenweb about its identity. I didn't want to post it until the curator confirmed that it's "Mme de Watteville". When I was there again this March, some blooms had pinkish undertones and a few buds were also slightly pink, but unfortunately it was about to rain and I didn't take a photo. Last fall, however, all blooms were solid creamy yellow and we were told that this is one of the teas that slightly changes colors seasonally, at least on some blooms. Quite a beautiful rose.
Reply #2 of 9 posted 2 days ago by billy teabag
This is 'Etoile de Lyon' which has been sold under the name 'Mme de Watteville'
Reply #3 of 9 posted 2 days ago by Vesfl
There is one other person on gardenweb who also suggested that it could be 'Etoile de Lyon' (though another GW member was of a different opinion) but these are not my roses and this rose was marked as 'Mme de Wateville' in this beautiful public rose garden in New Orleans and also confirmed to us by the curator. There are about 100 antique roses planted there, if not even more, and I posted the photos of about 35 of them from a couple of my visits to New Orleans. My intent was to share my love of roses with those who enjoy visiting distant rose gardens, even if only virtually. Thank you for your input, though.
Reply #4 of 9 posted 2 days ago by billy teabag
You're welcome.
Reply #5 of 9 posted 2 days ago by Patricia Routley
I have moved the photo to 'Etoile de Lyon'.
Reply #6 of 9 posted yesterday by billy teabag
I also had the great pleasure of being shown these roses by Leo in 2010. They were beautifully grown and had been planted with generous spaces between the roses so that they had room to achieve their potential. They clearly loved the climate in New Orleans as well as the care and must be even more magnificent eight years on.
I'll contact Leo re the labelling of that rose.
This is what 'Mme de Watteville' should look like.
Reply #7 of 9 posted yesterday by Vesfl
Thank you very much. Before seeing your last comment, I had already removed the photo for now because I wasn't sure if it would be right to keep it since this rose's identity/labelling is questioned. It's not my rose but from this lovely public garden and if, on the second thought, Leo concurs that it's 'Etoile de Lyon' then I would ask Patricia to let me reupload it under 'Etoile de Lyon'. I'm trying to honor both your kind discussion about its identity and the hard work in this public garden to label their roses correctly. That's a beautiful picture from 'The Garden' magazine and thank you for sharing it.
Reply #8 of 9 posted yesterday by Margaret Furness
One of the problems with public gardens is that there are visitors who think it witty and original to move labels.
Reply #9 of 9 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
Go for it. You don't need my permission, but check what is in the 'Etoile de Lyon' file first as I have moved some photos to there.
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Initial post 21 JUN by Michael Garhart
Consistent yearly size, as a grafted plant in the Pacific NW, has been about 4.5' T x 3.5'W. It makes a large everblooming orb. Kind of like Bonica. Way bigger than I expected, but I love the rose, and so do visitors. Its a very happy rose.
Reply #1 of 2 posted yesterday by Mike Mulholland
Very useful as usual, Michael, especially for me due to our shared climate.

I confess that I am fond of singles anyway, but I think that they are inherently much better vehicles for showing off contrasting eyes than roses with more petals. That holds for this rose versus Bullseye and the Eyeconics, for example, but it also holds for pale eyes, such as in Cocktail, Hoot Owl, Crazy Dottie, and many of the Meidiland roses.

I was very interested in this rose when I was putting in a lot of roses at a previous house several years ago, but I couldn't find a source, and now I am in the same boat at a new house. Does anyone know a U.S source for this rose, preferably own root? It would have to be mail order unless in western OR or WA.

Also, has anyone grown the similar but considerably newer rose For Your Eyes Only, also by Chris Warner?
Reply #2 of 2 posted yesterday by Michael Garhart
Oddly enough, this one can be trained into a climber in our climate! I whack mine back every year to 4". The canes are very pliable.

Portland Rose finder says nada for it locally. Portland Nursery used to carry it, but it seems they're not doing CR roses this year. CR could potentially have it in Lowes or HD this summer, but you never know what will show up. Regans is already done for the year, but they were selling it via CR. Maybe you could call CR and see who online may distribute it.
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