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Darrell
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Somewhere there's a genealogical error concerning the Verdiers. How can Eugene Verdier be the oldest son if he was born in 1827 and Charles Verdier was born in 1821? Furthermore, Charles was the second survivor of Victor Verdier's twelve children, so he must have been younger. It seems the birthdate of Charles is incorrect. (Trying to do good and accurate research can be trying.)
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3 NOV 21 by
jedmar
Yes, there is some confusion here. If Charles Verdier died 1893 at the age of 64, that would make him born 1829, not 1821. If Eugène is fils aîné = eldest son, then he must be older. 1827 and 1829 are the correct birth years.
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Why, under 'Bougainville' in References, is Joyaux's commentary listed twice in a row? (Just curious about this curiosity.)
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The rose used to be on Bougainville's grave, but I asked Odile Masquelier to check when she mentioned it in an article, and it's no longer there. From the Journal of Heritage Roses in Australia summer 2011, 33.4, pp 26-30 (you can find it via Trove), reprinted in translation from Le Journal des Roses Anciennes en France, no. 16, Autumn 2010. "Push hard, because it has rained", kindly observed the keeper, whom I knew and who had handed me the key of St. Peter’s cemetery in Montmartre. In this green and quiet haven, whose entrance is closed to the public, a few gravestones are still looked after and, on one of them, the inscription reads: “To the Memory of Louis-Antoine, Count de Bougainville, 1729 – 1811”. On each corner of that grave I reverently planted a rose of the ‘Bougainville’ variety¹ created in 1823 by my grandmother, daughter-in-law of Scipion Cochet (the famous ‘Maman Cochet’)". The person thus speaking of the Admiral is none other than P Charles Cochet, nephew of the founder of the ‘Journal des Roses’, Scipion Cochet.
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1 NOV 21 by
Darrell
I don't understand the reply. Are you suggesting that part of what you quoted by the nephew or all that you wrote should or will take the place of the duplicated comment? It doesn't seem to answer my question.
Or that HMF will leave the redundant duplicate entry by Joyaux?
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I'll leave that to the administrators. I was just adding a point of interest, which incidentally disagrees with the info we have about who bred it.
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1 NOV 21 by
jedmar
Sometimes an entry is duplicated when posting. Reasons unknown. Duplicate removed, thank you for the heads up!
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Seems to be a problem: many of the photos I click on to enlarge the photo do not do so--just a blank page with the photo number comes up.
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#1 of 2 posted
23 OCT 21 by
Plazbo
Same here.
Looks like an issue with root domain or config or something on some images
eg helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.204035
Is trying to serve an img from help-me-find.com/gardening/fs/398/204035.jpg but times out
meanwhile if you use helpmefind.com/gardening/fs/398/204035.jpg
it's served
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This was a technical issue that has been addressed. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
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2000 Heritage Roses New Zealand. Vol 21 No. 1 p6. Joanne Knight. About Baroness Rothschild. Many of us have in our gardens, the old pink Hybrid Perpetual bred by Pernet in France in 1868 named Baroness Rothschild.....
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18 JUN 21 by
Darrell
I do not have the 2000 issues of Heritage Roses New Zealand, but I do know that Joanne Knight published an article a number of years ago on rosarosam.com about Baronne de Rothschild. In that article she claimed that the baroness was Charlotte Beatrix de Rothschild, wife of Maurice Ephrussi. That information is incorrect. Viviane Schussele is correct here that the baroness in question was Julie-Caroline de Rothschild, who most definitely was the wife of Baron Adolphe de Rothschild.
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