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Peter Kukielski, former curator of the award-winning rose garden at the New York Botanical Garden highlights 150 tough new rose varieties that don't require spraying in his recent book, "Roses Without Chemicals". He rates roses based on his and others experience. He rates Savannah 60/60 for disease resistance, 25/30 for flowering, & 9/10 for fragrance. I highly recommend his book. I'm in the process of getting this and other roses he recommends. I live in Seattle, black spot heaven and don't spray. I have a lot of roses.
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This a beautiful rose. I am seeing some BS on the lower leaves only. The upper, more visible foliage is not only clean but also a very nice medium to dark green color. The plant has a nice growth habit, growing outwards rather than straight up, and is densely foliaged.
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It's a terrific book. I look at it often and have taken some of his suggestions.
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Now, after growing 'Savannah' for two seasons, I doubt I would keep it if I did not have a granddaughter of the same name. For me, this has been a small, slow growing plant which has not bloomed all season, and it is prone to BS.
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That's odd, since you're in the same area that Kukielski was in. I wonder what he was doing to get it to go well.
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There is a big difference of ambient temperature. The New York Botanical Garden is in The Bronx, NYC, USDA zone 7b; I am in the Mohawk Valley, zone 5, and in a frost pocket. Also consider the way a large city gathers heat.
I think 'Savannah' is a slow grower which simply needs a mild climate, maybe 6b or warmer would be my guess. It is "hardy" in the sense that a few twigs survive the winter freeze, but grows back veery slowly. I have climbing HTs which grow back from winter much faster.
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This is a wonderul healthy rose for me. It blooms non-stop.
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15 AUG 12 by
HonzaPM
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Thank you very much for that nice kind of information :).
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25 FEB 04 by
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I planted Cramoisis superior a year ago (ARE) and I expected the first year to be slow in seeing growth. This year I have about 10-12 beautiful blossoms on the bush but it is at most 18-20 inches high. It looks like a miniatureThis was not what I was expecting. I thought it could get 4-5 feet.
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25 FEB 04 by
Anonymous-797
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Give it more time. Mine first put on lateral growth before gaining height. It will have no trouble reaching the 4' to 5' that you want. Beautiful rose and plant habit...extremely tought plant that loves sun/heat when given proper water and soil.
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25 FEB 05 by
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I am in Tampa, FL and mine is growing like a weed. No disease problems. I have it on a balcony and it grew out into the open towards the sun. Quite a spectacle for those viewing my balcony. It loves water and soil with dehydrated cow manure!
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6 JUN 06 by
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It will get larger. Chinas can be slow sometimes, particularly if you're above the mason-dixon line. My experience is that they (Chinas) are like Teas in that they slowly build a large-ish, twiggy bush. I would fertilize it every week and work in some blood meal/bat guano into the soil.
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just my 2 cents it does not like to be pruned heavy or it will sulk for a couple years. But, it should be an Earthkind Rose IMO, also. Needs some size in my garden to set hips but I have gotten a couple from it. Really a bullet proof rose in Tampa Bay
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Just what we are looking for: to have everyone add their "2 cents" about plants they grow or are familiar with. Thanks.
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I had a different experience. The wind nearlty pulled it out fo the ground so I knew it had to get cut back. I took it from 8' to 4'. It immediately started putting out tons of new buds. It may have something to do with age.
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mine is over 15 years old great rose!
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My order just arrived. All four roses were big and healthy and blooming. Crepescule had 5 blooms on it. I'm thrilled.
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