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Meryl's comment Apr 13, 2013 in Website Errors:
HMF's description of Our Copper Queen has "none to mild fragrance". However the major Australian grower, Treloar Roses, lists it among the most highly fragrant roses and the solitary HMF member who has rated this rose gives it "excellent" for fragrance.
There seems no doubt that sniffers are getting results from this rose. The references vary from mild, to "fragrant" and Jay-Jay in comments, gets a cedar cigar-tobacco perfume. Just right now, that sounds rather nice to this long ago ex-smoker. Mild to strong should cover the fragrance for all noses.
Thanks Meryl.
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#1 of 3 posted
13 APR 13 by
Jay-Jay
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In my opinion, it has a stronger and better fragrance than Valencia...
At least in my garden where they grow side by side.
And a bonus is, that Kupferkönigin is more winterhardy and almost continuously flowers.
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#2 of 3 posted
14 DEC by
Anup
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Hello Jay jay,
I have bought kupferkongin rose and want to know it's mature height and spread.
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#3 of 3 posted
14 DEC by
Jay-Jay
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It's in the description for this rose Anup.
I cannot speak for how it behaves in India.
Over here it reached about 65cm spread 40-50cm.
Alas it died due to winter-temperatures and very dry seasons in combination with the soil, I have to deal with.
It's also prone to Black-spot, which defoliates the rose.
The temps where mostly too high last summers to use the (natural) spraying mix from Rosarium Winschoten.
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This rose is susceptible for Pseudoperonospora sparsa, or false mildew.
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#2 of 4 posted
7 APR 16 by
sutekesh
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Jay-Jay is referring to downy mildew see http://www.rose.org/rose-care-articles/downy-mildew/
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#3 of 4 posted
7 APR 16 by
Jay-Jay
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You're right Sutekesh, I chose to use the Latin name, for else I only could translate the Dutch "Valse Meeldauw"; to False Mildew", but it of-course is Downy Mildew!
Stems get purplish-blueish spots, that expand and the next year those canes/stems die.
The leafs get at the underside a grayish layer, the leaves rot or dry depending the weather and fall off!
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Thanks, Jay Jay for posting your opinion. It’s nice to see a review by a friendly face. Keep up the amazing job you’re doing on YouTube! I’m a huge fan!
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#5 of 4 posted
7 DEC by
Jay-Jay
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Best MKGarden, You're welcome,
Which job on YouTube?
I'm not aware of doing anything on YouTube. That has to be a mix-up.
Best regards, Jay-Jay.
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What is the authority for 'Lillan' being incorrect and 'Lillian' being correct?
I see that Tantau '82 has it as 'Lillan', as does Kordes the same year. Some other partisans of 'Lillan' are Krüssmann; Vladimir Nikolaevich Bylov, Nikolai Leonidovich Mikhailov, Elena Ivanovna Surina (Розы, 1988); the 1968 publication of Forskning og forsøk i landbruket; and Modern Roses XI (2000), 10 (1993), and 9 (1986), which represents a presumably intentional change from Modern Roses 6, which has it as 'Lillian' (I don't have MR7 and 8 at hand to consult).
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#1 of 7 posted
4 NOV by
Lee H.
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Sometime between 11 and 12, the ARS changed their mind again. This is from 12:
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Thanks!
I wonder if this much-buffeted variety will ever achieve stability . . . ?
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#3 of 7 posted
4 NOV by
jedmar
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Never if they cannot agree on DeVink or De Vink!
What if both spellings were correct? 'Lillan' would make perfect sense in continental Europe: it means "little one" in Swedish. And 'Lillian' for the Americans.
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#4 of 7 posted
5 NOV by
Jay-Jay
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It is J. de Vink and the rose is named Baby Lilian (as mentioned in HMF), but in the same article there is a rose mentioned Lillian... But not Lillan.
The info is from the article D W E R G R O Z E N by H. J. v a n d e L a a r.
Can be found in the WUR depot from the Wageningen University.
edepot.wur.nl/276889
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#5 of 7 posted
5 NOV by
jedmar
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Thank you, Jay-Jay. Reference added. What van der Laar is saying, is that he does not consider 'Lillian' a miniature.
The existence of the miniature 'Baby Lilian' also points to a larger 'Lilian'
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#6 of 7 posted
5 NOV by
Jay-Jay
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That's along the lines of what I'm thinking--that at some point someone unfamiliar with name "Lillan" thought it was a typo and "corrected" it to "Lillian."
Just to make distinctions: The Baby Lilian one is a very apricot shade of pink (I've seen a photo of it, I believe in the Pinney book on Miniature roses), the Lillan/Lillian one is a decided rose red.
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Patricia, I was excited to see your contributions on this rose, because I just read the profile article on Walter Easlea in a back issue (Summer 2013) of the magazine The Rose, the publication of the Royal National Rose Society (UK). Walter Easlea was a consummate rosarian and hybridizer, and hugely influential in spearheading the rose breeding industry of the UK, founding Danecroft Nursery in 1906, which expanded and flourished until the WW II government restrictions forced it (plus all the UK rose operations) to shut down in 1939. He died at age 85 in 1945, and was active in the rose world until the end. Easlea's Golden Rambler is arguably the most emblematic rose of Easlea's breeding career, although many of his creations survive today.
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Do you know how Americans can access The Rose?
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Nastarana, I believe that publication has ceased, the profile for it on HMF states it ran until 2016, so only back issues are available. Check out my postings from today in the Recent Photos category to see the magazine listings I posted, they will take you to the publication listing.
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Thanks ParisRoseLady. I agree with your opinion of The Rose. I have a few from 2002-2010.
The Easlea men also grabbed my attention some years back and I gathered in a little bit of data on them. In the Members Comments for the breeder Walter Easlea Jnr, a lady called Dawn (HMF member - EastwoodRoses) lived near the old Easlea Nursery and wanted to promote the Easlea roses.
I am very fond of 'Easlea's Golden Rambler'. Last summer I actually pruned it just after flowering and thought at the time "Jay-Jay would be proud of me". It is a little early yet in the season, but it hasn't liked it as much as I expected. Probably getting a little too much shade these days and I should strike it and put it on the south sunny side of the Wee Garden.
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Patricia, it is good to hear that there are folks actively trying to maintain and preserve interest in cultivation of the Easlea roses. And YES, you should strike one in a sunnier location, and see what happens!
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#5 of 10 posted
26 OCT by
Jay-Jay
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I'm "proud" of You, daring to prune, Patricia.
I'm proud, I do Not "prune" Easlea's Golden Rambler... that I can restrict my-selves in only taking away the dead wood and let the rose thrive and abundantly flower.
It's the most spectacular display of roses in our garden and it lasts a few weeks.
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How utterly beautiful Jay-Jay. We who grow these beautiful old roses are very much rewarded.
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#8 of 10 posted
27 OCT by
Jay-Jay
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Love your pictures, Jay-Jay! Thank you for sharing. And yes, agree with Patricia about the rewards of growing old garden roses, I have previously grown them on my first property, but subsequently had to give them up due to multiple moves... I WILL get back to them one day!
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#9 of 10 posted
27 OCT by
Jay-Jay
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Do I hear Schwarzenegger? I'll be back?
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