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22 OCT 17 by
NikosR
Is Albertine self cleaning or does it hold on its wasted blooms for the rest of the year? This is important to know for rampant ramblers like this if one does not feel deadheading a large rambler under the heat is an enjoyable passtime.
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The 2011 reference says: " Later the bloom dies most ungracefully and hangs on to its dead petals. Not in a spreading way, but losing all oomph in the petal and just collapsing to hang like a wet dishcloth in the middle of the pretty cluster."
Nevertheless, I would not be without it.
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#6 of 11 posted
24 OCT 17 by
Jay-Jay
On this part (Albertine is a triploid and sets no hips) of what You wrote in that article, I have to respectfully disagree as for setting hips... for it sets quite a few hips. See attached photo's I made today. Sorry for the less sharp photo's, for the light-conditions were bad and I didn't have a steady stand and or hand.
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That is so interesting Jay-Jay. You certainly have many hips there. I've double checked where that information came from and it was G. D. Rowley, writing in the 1960 American Rose Annual, page 110 on Triploid Garden Roses. Among the other Wichuraiana roses he mentioned in the article were 'American Pillar', Dr. W. van Fleet', 'New Dawn', 'Albertine' and 'Emily Gray'.
I actually do have a photo of a miserable hip or two on 'American Pillar' and will add that to its file. Perhaps it may be that a hip may not signify fertility? But I will be watching my 'Albertine' for hips this year. Patricia
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#8 of 11 posted
24 OCT 17 by
Jay-Jay
Maybe it needs our weather? On the other hand, this year was exceptionally sunny and dry over here. I'll harvest the hips and sow some seeds.
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#10 of 11 posted
26 OCT 17 by
NikosR
Being triploid discourages seed fertility, not necessarily hip setting. Hip setting is very much affected by the existence of well developed reproductive organs on the flower.
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#2 of 11 posted
23 OCT 17 by
Jay-Jay
The dead flowers hang for a while, but after a while, when the hips swell, the petals disappear. But maybe that was due to a lot of rain and wind. Will observe this next year.
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If you blast the bush with a leaf blower it will remove a lot of the dead flowers. This also works quite well for Camellias.
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Interesting thought. Someone advised me to deadhead a "ground-cover" rose with a golf-club.
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#5 of 11 posted
24 OCT 17 by
Jay-Jay
I can frequently be seen beating my monstrous Christine Helene with a long stick. I don't know what the neighbours think, and I don't actually care - by this I get rid of all the wilted petals without deadheading. And Christine Helene has hundreds of blooms. While hips form on the beaten part, she makes new trusses on new canes. So that's my low-tech recommendation, beat it with a stick. Love the golf club tip as well.
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I would have never thought about this tip (and the leaf blower) as a way to deal with dead flower petals as an alternative to deadheading a massive prickly shrub. I've avoided getting some of the larger gorgeous roses, because of the deadheading task, so Thank you!
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The name is 'Ambroise Paré', not 'Ambrose'...a tiny mispelling I guess...
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#1 of 3 posted
21 JAN by
Jay-Jay
Misspelling You mean... or was that a pun?
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oups, I misspelled with the missing "s"... :p Thanks
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#3 of 3 posted
22 JAN by
jedmar
We usually list different spellings found in literature in order to enable the search function in all cases. "Ambrose" is moved to hidden listing, so that "Ambroise" appears alone.
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Just a couple of quick questions, What is meant when people say they bought a rose as a "band" and what exactly do people mean when they say they are "rustlers"?
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#1 of 7 posted
18 JAN 17 by
Jay-Jay
They steal cattle! ;-{)
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In this case "rustled" roses are usually heritage or unidentified varieties propagated from abandoned homes, grave sites and the like.
rustled = collected
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A "band' is a deep square pot used for propagation, usually black in color. They are generally small and less expensive to ship than other sizes.
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Ah ha, that's cleared that up thank you. I've "rustled" roses from all sorts of places and once stole a sheep, so I've added rustler to my account.
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#5 of 7 posted
18 JAN 17 by
Jay-Jay
I thought they meant Guns 'n Roses with the Band.
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#7 of 7 posted
15 JAN by
Looopy
Does the term "band" come from "bandbox", do you suppose?
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PhotoDiscussion id : 169-551
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Not Mme Alfred Carrière
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Out of curiosity,, how do you know? What characteristics are you looking at to make your determination?
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#3 of 14 posted
20 DEC by
jedmar
I agree too with MalinH. See the two photos I just posted: - Mme AC has not very densely packed blooms, with petals which are more elongated - The buds are ovoid pointed, not rounded
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Thank you. I think I am seeing the difference, especially in the buds.
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#2 of 14 posted
20 DEC by
Jay-Jay
I tend to agree on this. The photo John took earlier is the real-one. You might compare Yourselves Nastarana. Rose photo courtesy of Johno Anglesey Abbey Gardens, UK, 23/6/23. Uploaded 22 JUL 23 www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.413376
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It would be interesting to know whether the rose photographed repeat-flowers, which Johno isn't in a position to tell us.
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Looks like Félicité et Perpétue
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That was my kneejerk reaction too!
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Great minds Margaret!
The buds look like my 'White Pet', which of course, is a sport of Félicité et Perpétue.
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#9 of 14 posted
22 DEC by
MalinH
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#10 of 14 posted
23 DEC by
Johno
I am happy to remove the offending photos. The label was nailed to the post so I would assume the garden was sold an incorrect plant to begin with. I have to admit, I am finding it hard to identify the difference.
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It's easy if you've grown MME. Alfred. She's quite different.
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#12 of 14 posted
23 DEC by
Jay-Jay
Hi Johno Photo wasn't experienced as offending by me. Maybe someone mixed up the labels. And I agree with Robert Neil Rippetoe: Once growing this rose, You'll never confuse another rose for it.
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#13 of 14 posted
25 DEC by
MalinH
There are four more photos that you need to remove. Not Mme Alfred Carriere of none of your pictures.
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#14 of 14 posted
27 DEC by
Johno
Removed three. The system seems not to allow more than three deletes at the one time.
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