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most recent 13 days ago SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 22 OCT 17 by NikosR
Is Albertine self cleaning or does it hold on its wasted blooms for the rest of the year? This is important to know for rampant ramblers like this if one does not feel deadheading a large rambler under the heat is an enjoyable passtime.
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Reply #1 of 11 posted 22 OCT 17 by Patricia Routley
The 2011 reference says:
" Later the bloom dies most ungracefully and hangs on to its dead petals. Not in a spreading way, but losing all oomph in the petal and just collapsing to hang like a wet dishcloth in the middle of the pretty cluster."

Nevertheless, I would not be without it.
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Reply #6 of 11 posted 24 OCT 17 by Jay-Jay
On this part (Albertine is a triploid and sets no hips) of what You wrote in that article, I have to respectfully disagree as for setting hips... for it sets quite a few hips. See attached photo's I made today. Sorry for the less sharp photo's, for the light-conditions were bad and I didn't have a steady stand and or hand.
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Reply #7 of 11 posted 24 OCT 17 by Patricia Routley
That is so interesting Jay-Jay. You certainly have many hips there.
I've double checked where that information came from and it was G. D. Rowley, writing in the 1960 American Rose Annual, page 110 on Triploid Garden Roses. Among the other Wichuraiana roses he mentioned in the article were 'American Pillar', Dr. W. van Fleet', 'New Dawn', 'Albertine' and 'Emily Gray'.

I actually do have a photo of a miserable hip or two on 'American Pillar' and will add that to its file.
Perhaps it may be that a hip may not signify fertility? But I will be watching my 'Albertine' for hips this year.
Patricia
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Reply #8 of 11 posted 24 OCT 17 by Jay-Jay
Maybe it needs our weather?
On the other hand, this year was exceptionally sunny and dry over here.
I'll harvest the hips and sow some seeds.
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Reply #10 of 11 posted 26 OCT 17 by NikosR
Being triploid discourages seed fertility, not necessarily hip setting. Hip setting is very much affected by the existence of well developed reproductive organs on the flower.
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Reply #2 of 11 posted 23 OCT 17 by Jay-Jay
The dead flowers hang for a while, but after a while, when the hips swell, the petals disappear. But maybe that was due to a lot of rain and wind.
Will observe this next year.
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Reply #3 of 11 posted 23 OCT 17 by Andrew from Dolton
If you blast the bush with a leaf blower it will remove a lot of the dead flowers. This also works quite well for Camellias.
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Reply #4 of 11 posted 24 OCT 17 by Margaret Furness
Interesting thought. Someone advised me to deadhead a "ground-cover" rose with a golf-club.
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Reply #5 of 11 posted 24 OCT 17 by Jay-Jay
hole in one!
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Reply #9 of 11 posted 26 OCT 17 by Puns 'n' Roses
I can frequently be seen beating my monstrous Christine Helene with a long stick. I don't know what the neighbours think, and I don't actually care - by this I get rid of all the wilted petals without deadheading. And Christine Helene has hundreds of blooms. While hips form on the beaten part, she makes new trusses on new canes. So that's my low-tech recommendation, beat it with a stick. Love the golf club tip as well.
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Reply #11 of 11 posted 13 days ago by PepperReed
I would have never thought about this tip (and the leaf blower) as a way to deal with dead flower petals as an alternative to deadheading a massive prickly shrub. I've avoided getting some of the larger gorgeous roses, because of the deadheading task, so Thank you!
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most recent 22 JAN HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 JAN by Callimarcio
The name is 'Ambroise Paré', not 'Ambrose'...a tiny mispelling I guess...
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 21 JAN by Jay-Jay
Misspelling You mean... or was that a pun?
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 21 JAN by Callimarcio
oups, I misspelled with the missing "s"... :p
Thanks
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 22 JAN by jedmar
We usually list different spellings found in literature in order to enable the search function in all cases. "Ambrose" is moved to hidden listing, so that "Ambroise" appears alone.
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most recent 15 JAN SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 18 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Just a couple of quick questions, What is meant when people say they bought a rose as a "band" and what exactly do people mean when they say they are "rustlers"?
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 18 JAN 17 by Jay-Jay
They steal cattle! ;-{)
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 18 JAN 17 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
In this case "rustled" roses are usually heritage or unidentified varieties propagated from abandoned homes, grave sites and the like.

rustled = collected
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 18 JAN 17 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
A "band' is a deep square pot used for propagation, usually black in color. They are generally small and less expensive to ship than other sizes.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 18 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Ah ha, that's cleared that up thank you. I've "rustled" roses from all sorts of places and once stole a sheep, so I've added rustler to my account.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 18 JAN 17 by Jay-Jay
I thought they meant Guns 'n Roses with the Band.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 18 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
ha ha ha!
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 15 JAN by Looopy
Does the term "band" come from "bandbox", do you suppose?
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PhotoDiscussion id : 169-551
most recent 27 DEC SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 20 DEC by MalinH
Not Mme Alfred Carrière
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Reply #1 of 14 posted 20 DEC by Nastarana
Out of curiosity,, how do you know? What characteristics are you looking at to make your determination?
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Reply #3 of 14 posted 20 DEC by jedmar
I agree too with MalinH. See the two photos I just posted:
- Mme AC has not very densely packed blooms, with petals which are more elongated
- The buds are ovoid pointed, not rounded
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Reply #5 of 14 posted 21 DEC by Nastarana
Thank you. I think I am seeing the difference, especially in the buds.
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Reply #2 of 14 posted 20 DEC by Jay-Jay
I tend to agree on this.
The photo John took earlier is the real-one. You might compare Yourselves Nastarana.
Rose photo courtesy of Johno
Anglesey Abbey Gardens, UK, 23/6/23.
Uploaded 22 JUL 23
www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.413376
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Reply #4 of 14 posted 20 DEC by Margaret Furness
It would be interesting to know whether the rose photographed repeat-flowers, which Johno isn't in a position to tell us.
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Reply #6 of 14 posted 21 DEC by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Looks like Félicité et Perpétue
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Reply #7 of 14 posted 21 DEC by Margaret Furness
That was my kneejerk reaction too!
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Reply #8 of 14 posted 21 DEC by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Great minds Margaret!

The buds look like my 'White Pet', which of course, is a sport of Félicité et Perpétue.
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Reply #9 of 14 posted 22 DEC by MalinH
I agree!
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Reply #10 of 14 posted 23 DEC by Johno
I am happy to remove the offending photos. The label was nailed to the post so I would assume the garden was sold an incorrect plant to begin with. I have to admit, I am finding it hard to identify the difference.
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Reply #11 of 14 posted 23 DEC by Robert Neil Rippetoe
It's easy if you've grown MME. Alfred. She's quite different.
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Reply #12 of 14 posted 23 DEC by Jay-Jay
Hi Johno
Photo wasn't experienced as offending by me.
Maybe someone mixed up the labels.
And I agree with Robert Neil Rippetoe: Once growing this rose, You'll never confuse another rose for it.
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Reply #13 of 14 posted 25 DEC by MalinH
There are four more photos that you need to remove. Not Mme Alfred Carriere of none of your pictures.
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Reply #14 of 14 posted 27 DEC by Johno
Removed three. The system seems not to allow more than three deletes at the one time.
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