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Initial post 24 NOV 12 by Anita silicon valley
This lasts a week in a vase and it has a bud and open bloom now in Silicon Valley in almost December. An update: It is August and we have had months of water restrictions and lots of hot weather and this is in bloom almost all the time. I have had it for a few years and the extra care has rewarded me abundantly. It has a wonderful fragrance. The bloom looks delicate but really the plant and blooms are robust.
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Reply #1 of 29 posted 17 NOV 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you, Anita, really appreciate your evaluation of how long a bloom lasts in the vase. I find that blooms which last long in the vase, can tolerate extreme temp. Many folks in zone 5 grow Lagerfeld successfully. Does Lagerfeld prefer clay or sandy/loamy soil as own-root? Thanks for any info.
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Reply #2 of 29 posted 28 NOV 16 by Lavenderlace
Straw, my Lagerfelds are planted in both a red clay type of soil and also very sandy. The clay ones were slower to get started but now are doing as well as the sandier.

The color for me started out white for the first couple of blooms, then a lovely shade of lavender (blue undertones), showing none of the pink that the buds had. Compared to a "Singin' the Blues, which seems to have some red in it, it is quite a true lavender.

The scent is just starting to develop so it's still quite mild but last week I could smell it in the vase on my desk rather than having to bury my nose in it. The scent is terrific to me and the big blooms stayed beautiful in the vase for over a week.

It doesn't seem to have the big shiny leave that some of mine have but also not even a hint of blackspot no matter the weather conditions. I planted them with non-GMO alfalfa-fed horse manure compost.
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Reply #3 of 29 posted 22 DEC 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you for the info. of Lagerfeld does equally well in clay vs. sand. I have Kordes Bluegirl rose in a loamy & composted leaves soil and it did great .. then I moved it to more clay, and that was downhill. That Bluegirl was grafted on Dr.Huey. Bluegirl has a stingy reputation so I suspect the "stingy ones" need more loamy soil.
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Reply #4 of 29 posted 27 APR 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Question for Lavenderlace: You have 2 Lagerfeld, which one survived your Texas winter better? Thank you. The one in red clay, or the one in sandy/loamy soil? In my experience with 2 blue roses: Kordes Deep Purple and Blue Girl, both went downhill when I moved from loamy & fluffy soil into my heavy & alkaline clay. In contrast, certain Austin roses and most French Romantica do better in my alkaline clay, than in loamy potting soil.
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Reply #5 of 29 posted 27 APR 17 by Lavenderlace
The one in sandy soil (slightly red clay) on the west side got the north and west winds and that's the one that I think is finished. Died to the ground and hasn't come back.

The one on the east side getting the morning sun and 3/4 northern exposure is covered in blooms now and about three feet tall and wide.

One is in a bed on the south side and is totally protected from the north winds but the soil had a lot of clay in it. It didn't really take off last year, just an occasional bloom and not much growth. This year has a few blooms so far at about 2 1/2 tall. Looks much thriftier this year so have high hopes for him!

One in a bed on the south side in sandy soil is nearly 6 feet tall and is covered in blooms. The entire top is covered in blooms or I would be tempted to prune down because he's way too big for his location!

Hope that helps, all were planted last summer! I was afraid that he would fade too much in our heat but these spring blooms are really pretty, with a darker center.
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Reply #6 of 29 posted 27 APR 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
On your most vigorous spot for Lagerfeld: "One in a bed on the south side in sandy soil is nearly 6 feet tall and is covered in blooms." Your having many roses of one variety help to determine what's the best location & soil for a particular rose. You are a big blessing for HMF & and folks like me !! THANK YOU.

Since Lagerfeld has Kordes genetics and Angel Face, it likes sandy/loamy soil, like my Kordes Deep Purple, plus full-sun location (Angel Face is known to be heat-tolerant). It's too late for me to change my order, I just have to put Lagerfeld in a loamy & sunny spot. When folks say, "this rose does fantastic for me .." I wish they would specify their zone, type of soil, and the amount of rainfall .. like Dave and Deb Boyd, who set a great example in their HMF profile.
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Reply #7 of 29 posted 27 APR 17 by Lavenderlace
Thank you so much also for all of your help! I think that he'll be worth it for you with those big blooms, gorgeous in the vase. I didn't get the impression that he loves tons of water either, unlike some of my Austins!
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Reply #8 of 29 posted 28 APR 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Lavenderlace: You helped me a lot by listing the performance of your many Lagerfelds. You wrote: "The one on the east side getting the morning sun and 3/4 northern exposure is covered in blooms now and about three feet tall and wide. One is in a bed on the south side ... soil had a lot of clay in it. It didn't really take off last year, just an occasional bloom and not much growth. This year has a few blooms so far at about 2 1/2 tall."

I have the same experience: Roses that like it loamy are VERY STUNT in clay. And the drought-tolerant roses prefer full-sun, they are stunt in partial shade. Thanks to your assessment of Lagerfeld, finally realize that my wimpy own-root Sharifa Asma needs more sun & faster-drainage & loamier soil.
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Reply #9 of 29 posted 28 APR 17 by Lavenderlace
THANK YOU for all of your data and expertise!
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Reply #10 of 29 posted 3 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Lavenderlace & anyone else: you have many blue and purple roses as own-roots. What is your most vigorous & tallest blue rose? What is your most vigorous purple rose? I'm looking for more vigorous blue/purple roses. Angel Face is wimpy and both the own-root and the grafted died through my zone 5a winter. Bluegirl (grafted on Dr.Huey) died this past winter. I have been admiring Lavender Crush rose .. and I'm hoping to find more vigorous blue/purple rose.
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Reply #11 of 29 posted 3 MAY 17 by Anita silicon valley
I have Neptune which gets to five feet easily; in my climate I have to keep it down to 6 feet to about 2 1/2 or 3 feet. In in Northern Calif. ( San Francisco Bay area ) where Winters are usually in the forties and Summers occasionally get into the nineties. Neptune is quite fragrant and often has clusters with the center bud blooming first. It is disease resistant and no aphid problems. For me it blooms more than Big Purple. It is usually blooming all Summer. I'm an organic gardener.
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Reply #12 of 29 posted 3 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Anita, thank you for the info. on Neptune. Looks like the grafted-on-Dr.Huey is more vigorous than own-root, so I'll order that from Regan nursery next year, along with Young Lycidas (thanks for your input too).
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Reply #13 of 29 posted 3 MAY 17 by Lavenderlace
Anita, that's good to know that Neptune is vigorous! Mine aren't old enough to comment on.

Straw, I have a lot of lavender but the tallest would be Lagerfeld, though I did have one die to the ground after our unusual cold. Great in the vase and very nice fragrance.

Very vigorous here, but hopefully won't get too tall, would be my favorite Twice In a Blue Moon. Planted last year, most about three feet tall now, in sandy soil that has a tinge of red clay in it. Planted on the south side and was one of the first to bloom in late February. Long lasting in the vase. Can't say how long the blooms last on the bush because I love the fragrance so much that I cut every bloom!

The color is a flat lavender here while Lagerfeld is a bit bluer, plus has that nicer darker center.

Singin' the Blues is just doing fantastic here and is supposed to be on the taller side. I'm not sure if this one goes to your zone but survived our arctic front in the open, no walls for wind protection. Great foliage and stayed green all winter. Covered in blooms that are a bit pinker lavender but they age to a lovely antique lavender. I almost didn't buy this one because I thought that it wouldn't be able to take the heat! Planted full sun in sandy soil and has a strong fragrance. Good in the pot too.

I only have lavenders that are rated highly for fragrance so that leaves a lot of them out. Violet's Pride is a new one to everybody but have only heard good things. Mine are in the pot with lots of blooms and clean medium green foliage.
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Reply #14 of 29 posted 3 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Lavenderlace: fantastic review that will benefit anyone interested in blue/lavender roses. Thank you !! I finally understand why Neptune (blue) is better as grafted on Dr.Huey. Multiflora lineage is where the blue and lavender shade originated, and multiflora prefers loamy soil. So for the blue or lavender rose to thrive in dense & heavy clay, they are best grafted on Dr.Huey, which is woody/chunky enough to go through hard & compact clay. Dr. Huey is a deep & chunky-tap-root system, reminds me of dandelion roots, which are invasive in heavy clay.

Multiflora root is a thin & cluster type of root which can't go through heavy clay. I gave up on own-root Baby Fauraux (violet), so wimpy & pale in clay, even with tons of rain.
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Reply #15 of 29 posted 4 MAY 17 by Lavenderlace
Straw, thanks for that! I'll make sure that Neptune goes to sandier spots when they leave their pots.
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Reply #16 of 29 posted 4 MAY 17 by Nastarana
Please don't knock the dandelions. Besides being pretty, they are feeding my humble bumbles.
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Reply #17 of 29 posted 4 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Dandelions with its taproot system is EXTREMELY invasive in my heavy clay. I have a large bleeding blister in my palm now since I dug up at least 100 dandelions. Neighbors pay lawn-care professional $300 per year to get rid of dandelions. If a lawn here is not fertilized, there's more dandelions than grass, and neighbors curse you for your dandelions infecting their lawn. Dandelions wasn't a problem when I lived in acidic clay. Didn't see much dandelions in loamy soil Connecticut either.

Lavenderlace: Neptune as own-root died on zone 6b winter, and zone 5b winter. The real test of how vigorous an own-root is: If it can survive my rock-hard clay, and my zone 5a winter, with -20 F, and windchill factor of -30 F, then our spring flash flood.
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Reply #18 of 29 posted 4 MAY 17 by Lavenderlace
Real test indeed!
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Reply #19 of 29 posted 28 JUN 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Lavenderlace: Is Lagerfeld the most drought-tolerant rose in your garden? What are your roses that bloom without tons of water? Thanks. Lagerfeld is in an ideal-wet spot, which I want to save for glossy-foliage water-hog Barbara Streisand or Nahema. I want to move Lagerfeld to a drier & uphill spot. Also Lagerfeld's scent improved after I piled up black-clay on top. I meant to keep his canes from flopping down, by piling up clay, but that UP the scent drastically, from medium to super-strong.
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Reply #20 of 29 posted 28 JUN 17 by Lavenderlace
Oh, I wish mine were super strong! Mine have a good enough fragrance, but it varies in strength. It usually gets better in the vase though.

Regarding drought-tolerant for me, the ones that stand out are New Dawn, Belinda's Dream, Lemon Spice, Memorial Day, and Savannah. The first two don't get any water at all, the last three never seem to appreciate it!
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Reply #21 of 29 posted 29 JUN 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
THANK YOU !! Almost bought Lemon Spice from RU's summer sale 2016, but I backed out due to its hardy to zone 7b, and I'm in zone 5a. Your Savannah has dark-green & shiny & LARGE foliage similar to Betty White, and my Betty White can go for more than a week without watering, in full-sun. Just checked: Savannah has many petals, but it's a shallow-cup compared to your Amazing Grace. The deep-cup are the ones that need tons of water & potassium to force the petals open .. versus the shallow-cup opens easily (like my drought-tolerant Christopher Marlowe & Mary Magdalene). Charles Darwin was a deep cup & over 100+ petals water-hog that was stingy unless I gave it high potassium & high phosphorus SOLUBLE fertilizer, despite my wet clay.
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Reply #22 of 29 posted 29 JUN 17 by Lavenderlace
Thank you!

Violet's Pride is another lavender that doesn't seem to need much water here. I have a tendency to give them too much and then they will drop some leaves. The foliage is much lighter than Savannah's though. Newly planted Lemon Spice as well as older did survive our arctic front in a less protected position than an older Lagerfeld, who did not.
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Reply #23 of 29 posted 29 JUN 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you. I looked up Violet's Pride .. that's so pretty !! I give up on Heirloom rose (bunnies ate it to death this year) .. own-root Heirloom was MUCH HEALTHIER than the grafted-on-Dr.Huey, but own-root Heirloom didn't survive my zone 5a winter. Another deep-cup is Big Purple .. that one needs at least 5-gallon of water per week, plus SOLUBLE fertilizer for best blooms. So I appreciate side-way photos of blooms, that way I can tell if it's deep-cup (water-hog), or shallow-cup (less need for water & fertilizer).

Here are the deep-cup roses that were REALLY STINGY until I gave it more water & soluble sulfate of potash & gypsum: Crown P. Magareta, Lady of Shalott, Charles Darwin. Here are the deep-cup & high-center hybrid-tea that are stingy unless given more water & soluble fertilizer: Big purple & Barbra Streisand. The deep-cup blooms last long in the vase, but need to be fed with solid minerals. Lagerfeld is deep-cup but less petals, so it's not bad. Lagerfeld finally have thick & strong stems that don't flop over, after I piled up black-clay & tons of rain.
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Reply #24 of 29 posted 29 JUN 17 by Lavenderlace
Thank you!
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Reply #25 of 29 posted 4 SEP 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
OWN-ROOT Lagerfeld does much better after I moved it from full-sun to partial shade. No more floppy and faded !! The color is deeper, and the plant is much healthier (no more blackspots in hot & dry). Blue & purple roses have multiflora genetics: low-thorn, prefer cool & wet climate and loamy soil.
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Reply #26 of 29 posted 4 SEP 17 by Lavenderlace
Straw, how much shade can he take in your area? Mine are getting afternoon shade and it's not enough in our heat. They're vigorous enough, just the flowers have become very unattractive compared to spring!
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Reply #27 of 29 posted 4 SEP 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
After being moved, mine gets only 4 hours of late evening sun. Now it has 7 buds, I cut one bloom for the vase. The scent is more intense with clay & peat moss, zero sand.
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Reply #28 of 29 posted 4 SEP 17 by Lavenderlace
Oh wow, that's very helpful, thank you. I didn't realize that he could take that much shade. The spring lavender blooms had a nice fragrance that actually got better in the vase but these summer white ones are pretty sad!
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Reply #29 of 29 posted 30 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Lavenderlace, I moved Lagerfeld. Now is in less than 4 hours of evening sun. All canes are strong & upright as 3rd-year-own-root. It's having 10 buds right now, and color is deeper in shade. Also more petals as the bush matures. It's doing much better in partial shade than full-sun.
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Initial post 24 OCT 12 by Anita silicon valley
I got mine a few months ago from Heirloom Roses and it has grown about two feet since then. I grow them up in a five gallon pot of rose soil. My first bloom was pink with a white reverse and fragrant but didn't last long in a vase. In cool wet Fall weather the bud doesn't open. The plant is healthy but I wish it would bloom more.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 3 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you for the info. on vase life.
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Initial post 4 JUL 15 by Anita silicon valley
What an amazing rose! It seems to be in bloom constantly with wonderful fragrance and no disease in eighty degree weather and watering restricted to only two days a week due to our drought. It is in full sun; of course I mulched it.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 3 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you, that helps with my current Young Lycidas.
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Initial post 29 JUN by Anita silicon valley
Mine blooms a lot but branches can grow out low so I have to cut them off so it grows up more. It could be because the ground around it is hard pan.
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