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Initial post 12 MAY 06 by Unregistered Guest

Hi, How does your Colette grow? Vigorous? Lots of flowers? How often is the repeat? Is it Leggy? Would it bloom in lots of humidity in july and august? thanks so have a fabulous rose list! terry
Reply #1 of 8 posted 15 MAY 06 by Rupert, Kim L.

I've only been exposed to three plants of this rose, and all three were in one garden along the coast here in Southern California, where there is little difference between summer and winter temperatures (compared to those inland) and there is fairly constant humidity. Based upon how those three plants performed, I never wanted to grow it anywhere else. The petals were too soft to deal with the humidity, losing color and balling terribly in one day. There wasn't much fragrance (likely due to the conditions being too damp and cool), but what there was, deteriorated into a foul smelling glob of sogginess. The year they were in the garden, there was constant mildew with bursts of black spot and rust. Yes, I know climbers require up to three years to come into their own and develop into decent plants. All three of these were planted as fifteen gallon plants, with between seven and eight feet of growth on them, so they were fairly mature specimen. PERHAPS, they may have improved with time, but neither the home owner nor I was willing to put up with how disappointing this rose was in that location.

It's not the same color, but acceptable for this installation, and it's not as double, therefore not the same look as his wife originally wanted, but the three Collette were replaced with three Spice so Nice, which have been phenomenal! They're constantly in bloom; have good fragrance and are bullet proof in this location, with absolutely no disease, even though no cultural practices used on the Collettes were changed for Spice so Nice. The difference between the two roses performances are due entirely to the superior characteristics and suitability of Spice so Nice for these conditions.

Reply #5 of 8 posted 3 JAN 13 by rose dabbler
Hi Kim,

What a coincidence...I was abbout to buy Colette to plant near my own Spice so Nice! As you know, the Spice So Nice has a much bolder coloration, and it IS healthy and beautiful and now around 18 feet tall (therefore I cannot bear ro get rid of it) but the orange tones in newly opened spice are stronger than I thought they would be when I planted it. (I love the softer two-day-old blooms.) I have an 1890's cottage, and love the old rose look...but with just a BIT more punch. I also have The Impressionist nearby. I thought the warm peachy pink of Colette between the two orange/gold/apricot climbers might bring some old-fashioned pink softness without clashing or contrasting too much. Can you think of another large bush/short climber similar in color and form to Colette that i might use that would do well in high humidity? I live in Western Maryland and the rose would be in a full-sun, south-facing, protected spot. I would be happy to e-mail you a photo (tried to upload photos to helpmefind but for some reason had trouble doing so.) THANK YOU!
Reply #6 of 8 posted 3 JAN 13 by Rupert, Kim L.
Hi Cynthia, Colette may or may not do well where you are. I don't know how much of the issues here along the coast were humidity related and how much was the lack of heat. In Malibu where they grew, "hot" was high seventies, low eighties. What's "hot" where you are? Black spot resistance is something I can't comment on because they've identified FIVE strains of black spot across the US. The "brand" I have is likely not the same one you have so what remains clean here may collapse under that pressure for you.

You might look at something like Westerland or Autumn Sunset. Not as double, but durable in most places and in similar coloring with great scent. They can be grown as shrubs or, left lightly to unpruned, develop into shorter climbers. Garden Sun might also be something which might be suitable. Conard Pyle, its introducer, states it has good disease resistance and cold hardiness.

I am leaning more toward the recent introductions rather than OGRs because they are easily available budded, so you'll have a leg up on growth and they may be more disease resistant and cold hardy in your climate. I hope it helps! Good luck.
Reply #7 of 8 posted 31 MAR 16 by LaurelZ
When you replace any rose it get less fungal the first year. The real test would be how does Spice So Nice preform long term? Spice So Nice is a completely different color and not as pretty as Colette. And my Colette does great in San Francisco. In fact, it has much less fungal then any other of my roses in San Francisco. I do spray, but still Colette was the best performer. All of them were sprayed, but only Colette looks completely clean in the leaves with no signs of rust, black spot or powdery mildew.
Reply #2 of 8 posted 28 MAR 07 by eve
I've got two Colette and the places they are planted at are very different in soil quality. The better the better! The one's planted in a deeper soil is much more vigorous than the other.Still; even the one planted in the poor soil is a beautiful bush of 5 feet heights. Its secon flush is less generous than the firts, yet... Its a robust beautiful rose with very charming, delicate colour. I am glad t ohave her in my garden, even though I prefer old roses, she has practically all those qualities..Grettings, Eve
Reply #3 of 8 posted 5 MAR 08 by Unregistered Guest
mine is about 4yrs and it rarely bloom. I planted on the other side of the rose arbor, it recieved plenty of water and sunshine, but I thinks I only see it bloom once. I wonder what I have done wrong?
Reply #4 of 8 posted 5 MAR 08 by Henrique Rodrigues Vivián
I'm glad you are going well.
Reply #8 of 8 posted 2 JUN 17 by buckeyesouth
Very disappointed in this rose. It wilts quickly in the heat and also dislikes humidity. A so-so in terms of vigor. It has managed to survive and bloom regularly, but requires perfect weather to make a display.
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Initial post 8 APR 13 by rose dabbler
I just bought clair matin and am wondering where to plant it. Among my options is a spot between two established climbing roses (spice so nice and the impressionist) that are eight feet apart and growing up my porch pillars. I would like to place the CM between the two and train half of it's canes horizontally to the left along the porch railing and the other half to the right until it meets the posts and to intermingle/twine with the other climbing roses up the posts. Is this realistic or would it be just too crowded? Can CM be happy pruned to just a few canes that will put the new growth into length, or does it need to be treated more as a massive bush?

Are there other roses that would be happy in this situation?

I am in Zone 6 and the porch is south-facing with all-day sun.


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Initial post 13 JAN 10 by Unregistered Guest
A picture of "Painter Renoir" rose can be seen at under Derek Fell's book "The Impressionist Garden" 2006.

On the second page of the book preview is the title page, and the rose is pictured in the upper right corner, a caption for the picture is a bit lower on the page. Maybe Derek can share his copyright with your web page.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 29 NOV 12 by rose dabbler
Yes! I would very much appreciate any information as to where I can buy this rose. I just viewed the rose in Derek Fell's book (which I checked out from a library just last night) and did a search after seeing the photo in the book. What a coincidence!
Reply #2 of 4 posted 29 NOV 12 by jedmar
Sangerhausen provides cuttings on request - but they can't be sent to the US. Maybe you know someone who will particpate in the Heritage Rose Conference next year in Sangerhausen?
Reply #3 of 4 posted 29 NOV 12 by Grntrz5
"Dab", you are a member here, and you can look up this rose at I just checked to see if any new information is there, and if there were any vendors of this rose, or gardens where you could see it.

There are three gardens in europe that grow it, look under the tab marked "Gardens" and click on the box, you will see "France" and Germany" you can then select which country you want to check. There are two gardens in France, and one in Germany. One of the French gardens is Renoir's garden.

There is quite a bit of new information now on the Painter Renoir" rose, and an old black and white photo has been added. The entry page for the rose is a bit confusing, it says it is a light pink, but when you translate the last entry under "References" that is in French, you can get a better ide of what it looks like.

Here is a paste from "Bing"
(there are some rough spots that you have to work around, no online translator is perfect):

"Journal des Roses (1911) Page(s) 6-7. Includes photo(s). (magazine)'

"Roses (Estable) Renoir painter 1911 new superior extra for the rupee, export flower and the collection. -Update the trade in the fall of 1911, by Mr. Louis Pöllat, Rosarian to Antibes-les-flowers (Alpe-Maritimes) , which is the editor, the breeder is unknown to us.

This rose, a cross from Paul Nabonnand and Marie Van Houtte a, the first, the port and the foliage and also a little colour, though snappier, and the second shape spines and a vague remaining yellow to the insertion of the petals. These are large, beautiful pink satin, slightly washed yellow pink at the base; the foliage is light green, shining; the spines are strong and frankly curved.

The button is elongated, the flower very double, largely extended, done well, taking to the water, opening very regularly, Bluestain. (I think they mean the rose doesn't turn blue in hot weather.)

It is perfectly resistant to long trips and is placed at the forefront of roses cultivated for cut flowers and for export. It will be certainly very well in the most beautiful collections of amateurs, in gardens and flower beds. The plant is robust, vigorous and generous, from perfectly in the open air and easily accommodating a limestone terrain and even quite poor quality. It flowers early in the fall and is very early in the spring. In addition, the flower has an exquisite perfume approaching many of Marshal Niel.

This rose, obtained in 1899, has been studied and multiplied with care, and the evidence she gave in cut flower on the Paris market, sufficiently attest its high quality. Painter Renoir is actually a great future rose!

Having been sold on the floor of the halls for several years, this variety has, of course, not passed unnoticed and she had a name? It would be nice to know, so that the growers of roses are fixed. It probably happened at the rose Ulrich Brunner that was sold from the beginning under the name of Marguerite of Burgundy, that is, an imaginary name was given to him. Which one? We may delay not to know him."
Reply #4 of 4 posted 29 NOV 12 by Grntrz5
I just saw Jedmar's reply, so maybe you can find some other roses that looks similar, or another rose that the Impressionists had available to them.

I think Derek Fell's books mention a few roses, but there are other books on Impressionists' gardens, but in each case it's a bit of reading, and maybe some online searches to find what was grown and by them.

I've been trying to come up with flowers grown in that time period, there are plants still to be had that they used. That was an exciting time, both Monet and Jeykll both used some of the same suppliers. As far as I know Monet and Jekyll never met, even though Monet's son went to school in England.

Vintage Gardens, the rose nursery in California, is sure to have at least one rose that was grown by those artists.

You don't say where you garden, (you need to change that so we can all help you better), but hopefully it's in a warmer climate on the west coast.

There are good roses for each climate, and even if you need to protect roses in winter, maybe choose a rose that looks simliar, just in case the winter was particularly rough, and you lose a bit off your climbing roses you so want to grow. Good fortune in your searches, and even more in growing them.
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