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Initial post 4 MAR 18 by sghiribiz
up to 255 cm?
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Initial post 10 MAR 14 by Cà Berta
The 1899 italian reference stands for the hypothesis, proposed by JdR 1899 (see also Rosen-zeitung 1898), that this rose was the result of Charles Darwin x Triomphe de Milan.
It is not clear (references???) why later Marie van Houtte was considered the most likely pollen parent of the two possible ones.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 26 DEC 15 by scvirginia
I agree that it this is a confusing point. The confusion probably results from the ambiguity of Lambert's original description in his journal: "Stammt von Charles Darwin x Triomphe de Milan resp. Marie van Houtte".

Contemporaries seem to have interpreted that as meaning Charles Darwin x TdM OR MvH, as if the breeder wasn't sure which of those two rose was the pollen parent. My German is pretty well non-existant, but the sentence is clear to me except for the meaning of "resp."

Looking at some of the descriptions of 'Balduin' as being pink with darker pink outer petals, I can see why some writers might have 'seen' a greater resemblance to 'Marie van Houtte' who also has dark pink outer petals. I'm just speculating; I don't realy know.

Virginia
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 29 DEC 15 by sghiribiz
I guess resp. (respektive/beziehungsweise) means "or" , "alternatively" in this context.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 29 DEC 15 by scvirginia
That seems likely, and I think that's how it was interpreted by others writing at the time, but I don't know German, and in English 'respectively' (which is the translation I got using Google Translate) isn't really used that way.

I would then guess that Mr. Lambert remembered which crosses he'd made, but perhaps a label with the plant went missing, so he wasn't exactly sure about one of the parents.

Thanks,
Virginia
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Initial post 16 AUG 15 by sghiribiz
Peony Boutonnière
APS Bulletin 336 December 2005: Parentage Zephyrus x Flora.
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Initial post 6 FEB 14 by kai-eric
does anyone have pictures of taxonomic details - buds, leaves, wood and prickles - of the plants in collections under this name?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 28 JUL 14 by sghiribiz
I found some old photographs of "Beauté de l'Europe" (Ducher). It was her first bloom in September of 2012. Later on her flowers changed colours getting darker and more beautiful.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 7 OCT 14 by kai-eric
thank you very much!
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 28 JUL 14 by sghiribiz
...and I took some pics last week.
My rose is growing under an apricot tree and it isn't quite happy about it.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 28 JUL 14 by kai-eric
thank you very much for your effort!
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