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PhotoDiscussion id : 115-331 most recent 12 FEB 19 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 12 FEB 19 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

15 bis 25 Meter?	REPLY

Reply #1 of 1 posted 12 FEB 19 by Hortus

Korrektur erledigt. Danke für den Hinweis. Hortus	REPLY

RoseWeiße von Saxdorf most recent 17 DEC 18 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 16 DEC 18 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

In response to Hortus who has commented elsewhere:
Since the breeder has not named this rose, I use " Weiße von Saxdorf " only as a working name.

Think of ‘Weiße von Saxdorf’ as a temporary synonym. As it is a bred rose, it does not carry the “double quotes” of a foundling rose. If ever Mr. Bethke does name it, we can then set ‘Weiße von Saxdorf‘ aside in favour of its permanent name.

Reply #1 of 1 posted 17 DEC 18 by Hortus

Thanks for the supplement. Unfortunately, Mr. Bethke died in 2018.	REPLY

Website Omissions (plant, nursery, etc.) most recent 16 DEC 18 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 15 DEC 18 by Hortus

Rose Listing Omission

" Weiße von Saxdorf"

This unnamed Rambler rose was created by
Hans-Peter Bethke in Saxdorf (Germany) before 2006. It is a once-blooming rose of the Wichurana type. Flower color white to pale pink; 5 petals. Foliage small and shiny with 5-9 segments. She is very disease resistant, and tough.
Growth height up to 250 cm
Forms rosehips.
It was used as a paternal part of ´Pfarrgarten Saxdorf'.

Reply #1 of 4 posted 16 DEC 18 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Thank you Hortus. ‘Weiße von Saxdorf’ added and your photos moved to that file. We’ve also added it as the pollen parent of ´Pfarrgarten Saxdorf‘	REPLY

Reply #2 of 4 posted 16 DEC 18 by Hortus

Thanks. Since the breeder has not named this rose, I use " Weiße von Saxdorf " only as a working name.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 4 posted 16 DEC 18 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

I will reply further in the rose’s file.	REPLY

Reply #4 of 4 posted 16 DEC 18 by Hortus

Thanks for the supplement. Unfortunately, Mr. Bethke died in 2018.	REPLY

RoseRosa x piptocalyx Juz. most recent 30 DEC 17 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 28 DEC 17 by Hortus

Parentage : Rosa beggeriana Schrenk x Rosa fedtschenkoana Regel http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/af61e6957b0c5fa54e8dc928cf5fdb20	REPLY

Reply #1 of 3 posted 29 DEC 17 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

The parentage we listed is taken from the original publication in "Flora of Russia". It is not clear why Catalogue of Life changed the pollen parent.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 3 posted 29 DEC 17 by Hortus

In verschiedenen jüngeren Veröffentlichungen findet man die von mir genannte Parentage, so in
- "Vascular Plants of Russia and Adjacent States (the Former USSR)"
- einer Veröffentlichung des Botanischen Gartens Moskau
- in der Web-Seite von Plantarium.

Various recent publications include the Parentage I mentioned, so-called
- "Vascular Plants of Russia and Adjacent States (the Shaper USSR)"
- a publication of the Moscow Botanical Garden- on the Plantarium website.

Reply #3 of 3 posted 30 DEC 17 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Das kann schon sein. Es ist aber üblich, dass wenn ein anderer Botaniker später eine Zuordnung macht, diese z.B. als Rosa x piptocalyx (Juz.) xxxxx beschrieben wird, um darzustellen, dass es wohl auf den ursprünglichen Text von Juzepczuk basiert, aber verändert ist. Das ist hier nicht der Fall. Rosa fedtschenkoana ist natürlich Teil des Rosa webbiana-Komplexes, jedoch sollte man eine Erklärung erwarten, warum man von Flora of Russia abweicht. Ich mache eine entsprechnede Notiz, bis weitere Informationen gefunden werden.