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Initial post 2 days ago by Lavenderlace
Wonderful Jim! I like the different shades of pink and how healthy they look too!
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Initial post 21 SEP by mamabotanica
Any advice for a zone 10 gardener? I have two one year old budded Wollerton bushes in the front and they are sending out long octopus arms. I wonder if I used a 7 ft trellis or obelisk if they would quickly overwhelm it or if it makes sense to tame them with something structural? Do I need one per rose or could I combine both of them on one structure? Or am I foolish in expecting that anything will tame a rose that wants to grow long tall canes that flop over neighboring plants?
Reply #1 of 8 posted 21 SEP by Andrew from Dolton
If you pegged these long shoots down would they flower all the way along their length?
Reply #2 of 8 posted 21 SEP by mamabotanica
That would be lovely! Hoping someone with experience will weigh in
Reply #3 of 8 posted 21 SEP by Margaret Furness
Pegging down doesn't work well in my zone 9b climate (South Australia) unless you mulch very heavily underneath, because the grass/weeds keep growing all winter. We generally go for the espalier / training on a trellis option. I haven't tried an obelisk so can't comment on that.
Reply #4 of 8 posted 14 days ago by Lavenderlace
How did it work out for you Mamabotanica? I'm thinking of using this rose as a climber in my climate also. Mine are too young to have much in the thorn department, but I noticed that Heirloom described WOF as nearly thorn-free. Can anybody confirm this? Thanks!
Reply #5 of 8 posted 14 days ago by mamabotanica
Hi, the mow and blow guys took it upon themselves to prune one of the roses so I'm waiting for that to grow back to train it on an obelisk. The other was my first attempt to attach a rose to a support and it didn't fare well (bent my two main canes and snapped another one off :(. The new growth on the rose is looking green and beautiful. I think it will work and I'm glad it seems to have forgiven me my learning curve.
Reply #6 of 8 posted 14 days ago by Lavenderlace
Thanks for the update, sounds like it will be beautiful! Did you happen to notice what the thorns were like?
Reply #7 of 8 posted 14 days ago by Patricia Routley
Have a look at the Patent Lavenderlace. There is a small paragraph near the end on the thorns.
Reply #8 of 8 posted 14 days ago by Lavenderlace
Thanks Patricia, that was incredibly helpful! I've never looked at the patents before but there is so much info on them! For anybody following this thread, the answer is that WOH is indeed low on thorns.
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Initial post 5 SEP by Lavenderlace
Very vigorous, extremely fast growth, lots of blooms in sandy soil, own-root, no-spray Z8. They are getting huge though, tall and wide.
Reply #1 of 11 posted 5 SEP by Nastarana
Along with SDLM, 'Evelyn' is the quintessential desert rose, loves sandy soils, as you say, and high temps, and seemed for me to need far less water than 'Graham Thomas'. You might also like 'Golden Celebration' if you have room for it. Those immense old gold cabbages are one of the glories of the rose world.
Reply #2 of 11 posted 5 SEP by Lavenderlace
Thanks for the tips! I thought that I didn't want any yellows, but they are doing so great here that it's hard not to love them so will check out Golden Celebration too. I stayed away from Evelyn for a while because of reports of how difficult she was but have found just the opposite.

And you're definitely right about SDLM, does great here too!
Reply #3 of 11 posted 5 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Golden Celebration is the BIGGEST WATER and POTASSIUM HOG as own-root. Mine is 7 year-old-own-root and needs deep-watering due to its deep & large root. Folks in rainy climate complain about Golden Celebration as blackspot-prone, versus dry & hot California folks complain about its being stingy. The only time Golden Celebration was healthy for me when I got horse manure at pH 8 monthly, and piled up 1 foot of that on top. Very hard to please roses which like it cool & tons of rain & loamy & alkaline. Crown Princess Magareta is a far better choice for its tolerance of hot & dry climate, both I and KBW in Pakistan rank CPM as less fussy than Golden Celebration. Still remember buying Golden Celebration from High Country roses spring of 2011, it came with a warning, "this rose needs more water than average."

The best yellow for hot weather is Julia Child. Saw that at local rose park when it was 104 F & month-long drought with perfect foliage in full-sun. But Julia Child's scent smells like cough medicine.
Reply #4 of 11 posted 5 SEP by Lavenderlace
Thanks so much for posting your experiences Straw! Always helpful to see how roses do in different climates.
Reply #5 of 11 posted 5 SEP by Nastarana
I had GC in the Central Valley in CA in part shade and it grew as a free standing shrub to about 5' tall by about 10' wide. The neighborhood cats used to hide their kittens under its' sweeping branches. For me it needed almost no extra water after the first two seasons and had no disease beyond the touch of mildew almost all roses got in early spring in that climate. I don't remember if it was grafted or not, if it was it was on Dr. Huey. Maybe the shade helped with water requirement. You might want to try it if you can find a plant for a reasonable price; I would not want to spend the $50.+ which many nurseries are now asking for much of anything except maybe for some much coveted extreme rarity.
Reply #6 of 11 posted 5 SEP by Lavenderlace
Wow, 10' wide! That's a cute story about it making a good cat house for the kitties!
Reply #7 of 11 posted 5 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I posted in the wrong place, moved to Lagerfeld.
Reply #8 of 11 posted 6 SEP by Nastarana
Lavenderlace, when I lived in a desert climate, I found that winter irrigation helped a lot in keeping my roses alive through the hot summers. Winter irrigation, about once every three weeks if there is no rain, helps spread out the water bills and helps one keep plants alive without violating water restrictions.
Reply #9 of 11 posted 6 SEP by Lavenderlace
Thank you! We are in a high humidity, low rainfall area but this year has actually had more rain than usual. I agree with you about the winter irrigation, works great, but my plants are huge!
Reply #11 of 11 posted 5 JUN by Nastarana
I am glad she is doing well for you. I can't grow her where I live now, no matter what the DA org. says. I do miss those golden cabbages.
Reply #10 of 11 posted 5 JUN by Lavenderlace
Nastarana, thanks again for the tip on Golden Celebration! Shes working out great here so far and I think that I'm going to love the fragrance!
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Initial post 20 JUL by Give me caffeine
Although this rose is supposed to be vulnerable to balling, I'm finding that it is actually more resistant than several other roses which are supposed to be less vulnerable. For example, Mrs. Dudley Cross has been showing a strong tendency to run into soggy lumps under conditions when Aotearoa is fine. I have no idea why this is.

The other odd thing I've found is that the multiflora rootstock under Aotearoa has been very keen to sucker, which hasn't been happening with other roses on the same rootstock. Again, I have no idea why this is. I am thinking that it would be well worth trying this rose on its own roots. It's generally a strong cultivar, so should do well without a rootstock.

Would like to try the same with its sport "Full Sail".
Reply #1 of 4 posted 28 AUG by Lavenderlace
Mine are own-root and haven't shown any tendency to ball here either in high humidity or rain. The color is very bright neon coral in my soil though!
Reply #2 of 4 posted 28 AUG by Give me caffeine
Interesting. It's a nice colour in my soil. Seems to be a very heavy feeder, much more so than Teas, which I suppose isn't surprising.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 4 JUN by Lavenderlace
Mine have calmed down in the color department and now are a gorgeous shade of very soft salmon pink, almost silvery sometimes.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 4 JUN by Give me caffeine
That sounds about right.
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