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Initial post 2 days ago by Daniel Alm
Admins, there's something wrong with the lineage database for BRITE EYES. After the 6th generation of descendants, it repeats again from the 1st to 6th generation again ad infinitum. The descendants listed in the 21st generation are the exact duplicate of the 6th generation. Either Radler inbred or back crossed everything multiple times or there's a system error. Is there a fix for that? ~Benaminh
Reply #1 of 5 posted 2 days ago by HMF Admin
We'll take a look - thanks so much for taking the time to alert us to this problem.
Reply #4 of 5 posted yesterday by jedmar
The problem is not in the software, but in the declared parentages:
'Morning Magic' <-- RADspot <-- RADbrite <-- RADtee <-- RAD95.1016.17 <-- 'Morning Magic'

then the caroussel starts all over again! Perhaps Bill Radler can correct the error in this loop.
Reply #5 of 5 posted yesterday by jedmar
Parentage of RADbrite is corrected, so that there is no loop any more. The only issue is that the declared parentage in PP 17'391 seems incorrect.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Jay-Jay
I experienced the same at another look-up. It started all over at the beginning.
Can't recall the search.
Reply #3 of 5 posted yesterday by HMF Admin
Okay, thanks Jay-Jay.
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Initial post 5 FEB 12 by TammyY
Can that zone be correct? 4a-5b...
Reply #1 of 5 posted 5 FEB 12 by HMF Admin
Not very likely...
Reply #2 of 5 posted 23 DEC 14 by Madame Hardy
Centifolia and Moss roses reliably grow in Zone 4a. The local University Extension service often posts specific details about hardy roses for an area.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 7 days ago by AquaEyes
I'm adding to this very late, but I think it's important anyway. Personally, I'm not a fan of maintaining the Moss class, since it is defined by just one trait -- moss -- which can be transmitted to offspring from breeding with other classes. If I had my way, "moss" would be just a descriptive trait, and the roses currently classed as Moss Roses would be moved into classes which better describe their other characteristics. Some Mosses are clearly Centifolias with moss, others like 'Salet' and 'Mousseline' are better described as Portlands or Damask Perpetuals with moss, 'Princesse Adelaide' and a couple others are (Hybrid) Bourbons with moss, and 'Mme Louis Leveque' is really a Hybrid Perpetual with moss. Ralph Moore bred the moss trait into miniatures and others.

The question and response in this thread illustrate how lumping together very different roses into a Moss class -- simply because they have moss -- isn't really helpful anymore. The original question was about cold-hardiness of this particular rose, 'Mme Louis Leveque'. An answer referenced cold-hardiness of Centifolias and Mosses -- but the "Mosses" referenced are really "mossy Centifolias", and not Mosses in general. To give gardeners a better idea of how cold-hardy an individual Moss rose would be, we should look deeper. Cold-hardiness of 'Mme Louis Leveque' would be based more on its Hybrid Perpetual lineage than that it shares one trait -- moss -- with a more cold-hardy 'Centifolia Muscosa'. A more dramatic example would be assuming one of Ralph Moore's mossy Miniatures would be as cold-hardy as 'Centifolia Muscosa' because both are classed as Mosses, based on sharing but one trait.

Reply #4 of 5 posted 7 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
Moore used 'Centifolia Cristata' for many of his mossy miniatures, the crested ones, it isn't really strictly speaking a moss rose at all.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 7 days ago by AquaEyes
Yes, for his crested hybrids. But his mossy hybrids were derived from 'William Lobb', and possibly some others.

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Initial post 23 NOV by HMF Admin
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Initial post 21 NOV by Charles Quest-Ritson
Introduced in 2013, according to Ferrer's website
Reply #1 of 1 posted 21 NOV by HMF Admin
Corrected, thank you
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