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StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
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Initial post 23 MAR 16 by drossb1986
I'll be honest, my current experience with Chrysler Imperial begs to me ask, "What's all the fuss about?" I purchased because it is said CI is an all-star in a hot climate, so ask me how she does here in Houston in August. But, so far, i'm unimpressed. It smells lovely, but the blooms blow open quickly. The coloring seems odd to me, like there's too much purple in the petals are bruised a little bit. It's had some mildew issues already, but Tropicana is next to it and Tropicana is the mildew queen. I would trade in the fragrance for the color, shape, and vase performance of Olympiad any day.

August 2016 Update: I'm still not impressed with CI. Despite its reported heat tolerance, it didn't really impress this summer. It was just ok. The plant is fairly compact and grows in a narrow, straight-up fashion, so it looks a little out of place with its bed-mates to me. It looks like it's trying to grow to keep from touching any other plant. I haven't had any mildew issues since this spring, and have had zero blackspot problems.

January 2019 Update: CI has actually turned into a really great plant. I still think the blooms open to quickly, but after a couple of years in the ground she's really taken off. She also have lived up to her heat tolerance reputation trying to bloom in abundance in the peak of summer. Great "beginner" variety and great "old-school" rose.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 18 JUN 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Agree with you on Chrysler Imperial .. saw that in a pot for $10 at local store, Sniffed it. Not impressed, fragrance can't compare to Mr. Lincoln. The rose park nearby has Chrysler Imperial for years .. every year I hope for a good scent, but disappointed in its mediocre scent. Mr. Lincoln rose was better-looking at the rose park, but wasn't hardy. For a good red rose, Firefighter is fragrant & last long in the vase ... really miss that own-root Firefighter after it died in a dry & cold zone 5a winter.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 24 JAN 19 by davyjns
I found this to have a strong rose scent very much on par with Mr. Lincoln. Funny how these things happen.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 8 JUL 19 by BrianH
My landlord grew this rose where I lived 20 years ago. This was a early 60s era tract house in the hot inland valley area of Los Angeles. This rose was an astonishing survivor, probably planted forty years before. It bloomed heavily once in the spring on the 10 inches of annual rainfall, then scattered bloom till November. The stems were short as the bush had been whacked to 4 feet with hedge shears for years. Every bud opened perfectly albeit quickly in the triple digit heat. The damask scent was as strong as Mister Lincoln. Dust had to be washed off the matte foliage when cut for the house. Of course there was little black spot pressure in that climate, but mildew and rust never seemed to appear. I've never seen a more neglected rose hang in there so well. I think these traits make it an excellent candidate for gardens in climates with very low humidity and withering hot summers. When I retire and return to California I intend to plant one and see what happens when it is really treated well.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 2 days ago by MiGreenThumb
I believe Chrysler Imperial to have superior strength and type of fragrance over Mr. Lincoln. A much better plant too.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 11 APR 20 by newtie
Try it on a different root stock. For your climate i would suggest fortuniana root available from K&M Roses in Buccatuna Mississippi. I think you will like it once you get it on the right root stock for your area. Also, for Houston, plant it very high. Mound the soil up a good 12 inches higher than ground level.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 12 APR 20 by Puns 'n' Roses
I grow Mr Lincoln and Chrysler Imperial side by side. Both are in (as of now) too small pots. Mr L. is more vigorous, but tends to concentrate more on single canes while C.I. is bushier and considerably lower. Mr. L also puts out more blooms. I can't seem to remember if C.I. blooms lasted longer or shorter. The scent is different, but gorgeous on both plants. I had planned to make a small "family border" with Mr Lincoln's ancestors and siblings like Oklahoma and Papa Meilland, but they are hard to get.
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Initial post 21 AUG 12 by Anita silicon valley
I bought this as a big bush with loads of fragrant blossoms and planted it in a good location, giving it standard rose loving care ( rose soil from a bag, rose fertilizers, etc). It looked healthy but didn't grow or do anything for months. Finally, contrary to advice I put some liquid acid fertilizer on it and it grew right away with many small buds on it. We have hard water and my guess is that the soil became too alkaline for it. I read that alkaline soils can " lock up" nutrients so they can't act. Someone wrote somewhere that David Austin roses like soil a little more acid than a person might expect. I wasn't going to use acid fertilizer again unless it stops growing in spite of kind care. The David Austin rep. said that hard water doesn't make a difference but she's in Texas and I'm in Calif.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 30 APR 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
The David Austin rep. doesn't know about chemistry. In treating tap water, municipals add calcium hydroxide, which is EXTREMELY ALKALINE. Calcium hydroxide is unstable and binds with potassium, phosphorus, trace elements .. making these elements less available to plants. Thus SOLUBLE FERTILIZER, with acid & nutrients are readily assimilated by plants.

I have hard-well water, and even SOLUBLE fertilizer can't dissolve in my tap-water, I have to add a bit of vinegar. When soil is hardened with high pH tap-water, minerals are locked up.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 22 JUL by sandsock (PNW 8a)
I have this own root and it hates alkaline water or soil. Very yellow leaves, put acidifier on her and she is much happier. She's a pretty good back up, but small because the alkaline issue.
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Initial post 15 JUN by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I went through a lot of hassle placing an order for own-root Lemon Spice but found out that it's not hardy for zone 5. A friend in zone 7 with over 300 roses informed that her Lemon Spice is a weak-grower. Plus Cynthia in zone 5 with over 900 roses informed me: " in my experience Lemon Spice is not remotely hardy and I can't pull it through in my most protected spot. I had one Firefighter that I kept for several years but I have had trouble overwintering a replacement. Still I'd rate that one as much more robust than Lemon Spice in my yard." Cynthia.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 15 JUN by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Yes, not a strong grower in some areas, but one I miss.

I had it here for years but finally lost it to shade and neglect.

It's still popular choice in Southern CA.
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Initial post 15 JUN by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
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