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nsdjohn 
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Star Roses lists this as a Floribunda on their website
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#1 of 4 posted
23 AUG by
Lee H.
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Of course Meilland categorizes it as a Grandiflora in the patent, but then goes on to list the average height as between 80 - 90cm.
I don’t know the height specifications for a Grandiflora, but I always considered them taller than HT’s, at least over 1 m, but I could be wrong.
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23 AUG by
jedmar
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The definition of ARS states that Grandifloras are HT-like, but cluster-flowered and grow to 6-8 feet or more. The breeder has patented this rose as a Grandiflora, but it is old as a Floribunda. It's seed parent 'Centennial Rose' is also a declared Grandiflora despite having a height of only 2-3 feet.
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The ARS is slow and antiquated. In the US, and those that have bred for US releases, have a few models for what a grandiflora is.
The original model is the tall one, as described. Queen Elizabeth would be typical of this. "Stately," as they say.
Then, there are the quite round ones with large sprays and large blooms. Tournament of Roses and Sunshine Daydream would be typical of this. .
And then there are the "flori-tea" types, that have a small cluster of moderate-sized blooms on a medium height plant. Sonia, Caribbean, etc. are this type.
Of course, there is overlap and confusion. Its a really faulty system of classifications imo. Although, it seems that most breeders simply consider a grandiflora to be a bush rose with 3.5 to 4.25 inches in width.
Roses like Silver Jubilee and Colorific break the system. Not to mention many, many florist roses.
IMO, I would consider Sunset Horizon a large-flowered floribunda. It behaves that way in my garden, at least. Playboy has similarly large blooms, despite having few petals. In another system, we could be less subjective about the topic.
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High Country Roses is also calling it a floribunda, which it probably is in zone 5. Stunning colors. I might order one if HCR has their fall sale this year.
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Rose Listing Omission
Climbing O'Brien
Class/Color: Climber hybrid tea/orange/yellow center
Comments: Vigorious, repeat bloomer
Bloom/Size: 3 to 4 inches
Height/Habit: 10 to 12 feet
Petal cout: 16
Fragrance: none-slight
Parentage: Playboy x seedling
Hybridizer: Burling Leong
Introducer: Burlington Rose Nursery
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Rose Listing Omission
281-91-04
Information from Paul Barden's blog - "One of the most important contributions Ralph Moore made to modern roses is striping. Before Ralph took on the task, there were really no striped roses of note aside from a few OGRs that displayed the characteristic. 'Ferdinand Pichard' (bred by Tanne, France, 1921) was about the most modern striped rose available to growers, and it was in fact 'Ferdinand Pichard' that Ralph turned to in order to mine its genetic secrets for striping. Moore's first successful cross used the Floribunda 'Little Darling' as the seed parent, as it so often turned out to be the rose that would repeatedly serve as a "door opener" for Moore, paving a way forward where other roses failed to deliver. (Note that by today's standards, 'Little Darling' is an imperfect rose with many flaws, and has largely been abandoned as a breeder. However, at the time Ralph was working with it, it offered unique opportunities: fertility, pliability and the ability to breed fertile offspring even when crossed with the most difficult cultivars.)
The seedling pictured above, a cross of 'Anytime' X 'Shadow Dancer', was gifted to me about 6 years ago by Ralph personally, as he was considering it as a commercial introduction and was seeking more feedback about its performance. (In Visalia, apparently, it grows as a climber, but here in my climate it has not exceeded four feet.) You can see the 'Anytime' coloring it its blooms, right down to the curious lavender cast often seen in the center of the aging blooms. It is generous with blooms and often flowers in clusters of 7 or more, making for quite a display. It has no fragrance (not surprising, considering its pedigree) but has decent foliage health and good vigor.
Unfortunately this seedling never did make it into commerce while Ralph was alive, but with Texas A&M now managing the vast Moore collection of un-introduced seedlings, it might yet have its day in commerce. For now, I will experiment with it as a breeding plant. My first tests indicate that it is quite willing to pass on those striking 'Ferdinand Pichard' stripes that Ralph worked so hard to distill.
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McFarland
Hybrid Tea (HT), pb (Pink Blend), blooms 8, borne Small Clusters, Regular Repeat, Strong, Semi-Glossy Foliage Surface, Medium Green Foliage Color, Upright Growth, Tall Height, Star Roses
Bred by Alain Meilland and donated to the American Rose Society. Here is a link in Modern Roses: https://modernroses.org/details.php?cultivar=37620
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17 MAY by
jedmar
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Thank you, added! However, this looks very much like 'Horace McFarland'.
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