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Judith C.
most recent 1 MAR SHOW ALL
Initial post 14 SEP 07 by Judith C.
Gold Medal - Baden Baden 2005 (Cluster flowered) /
Strong fragrance /
Double (20+ petals) /
Blooms 8-10cm /
Height 1m
Reply #1 of 3 posted 15 SEP 07 by HMF Admin
Thanks Judith.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 15 SEP 07 by Judith C.
Thank you for all you do! Sorry, I should have converted it into inches ... By the way, it is not sold as a hybrid tea, but as a cluster-flowered rosebush (floribunda, therefore, I presume ... ).
Reply #3 of 3 posted 1 MAR by Michael Garhart
Probably because the catalog and MR12 label it an HT. So, I guess, it is officially an HT. However, it looks floribunda-like to me in the photos. We gardeners don't get to label them, as we unfortunately know.

Plant architecture reminds me a bit of 'Colorific', which is a large-flowered floribunda, with huge candelabras.

Then again, I've seen floribundas with larger blooms than some of the UK HTs, and some American floribundas with larger blooms than some HTs anywhere, so, yeah. Fun stuff.
most recent 13 FEB SHOW ALL
Initial post 31 AUG 08 by Judith C.
Tiny spelling mistake: should be 'DORienstar' according to Dorieux. Thanks!
Reply #1 of 9 posted 31 AUG 08 by jedmar
The mistake is on the website. 'Violette Parfumée' is DORient. -sar (for "sarmenteux" (climbing) is then added.
Reply #2 of 9 posted 1 SEP 08 by Judith C.
Thanks, Jedmar. Dorieux's mistake then ...
Reply #3 of 9 posted 13 FEB by PierreLaPierre
Hello there. Does anyone have experience growing this variety? We’re in the south of France and in our gardens rose varieties tend to grow very well. I planted Violette Parfumée a year ago from a pot own-root and it is still the same tiny size though new growth is showing on the 3 stems. It’s odd because it is flanked by other rose varieties planted not even two years ago, some climbers some not, and they have grown very well exceeding our expectations. Any observations would be welcome; perhaps the root systems from the other climbers are having a detrimental effect on this one or perhaps it’s a dud or maybe even the shrub variety?
Reply #4 of 9 posted 13 FEB by jedmar
We had the same experience. It was never a grimpant, but stayed as a low hybrid tea. It seems that the bush version is often sold as the climber.
Reply #5 of 9 posted 13 FEB by PierreLaPierre
Thank you Jedmar. Whilst that is somewhat reassuring I would love it to grow like a HT here as after two years most are 5-6 feet tall. Mind you both of our one and two years old ‘Gloire de Dijon’ are also tiny not even 25cm tall though they have managed to squeeze out a flower now and again which is a wonderful unexpected surprise. I do make a habit of removing the buds to help concentrate the plant’s energy into root and foliage growth but so far very little. I’m swaying slightly off-subject but Desprez à Fleurs Jaunes is almost the same; vigorous growth when first planted as a bare-root grafted on laxa very floriferous giving three flushes in its first season yet it remains after two years around 40cm ‘tall’. After reading that ‘Noisettes’ can be slow burners I just put it down to that though the relatively warm and mild winter climate here should facilitate vigorous growth? Most other families of roses here including some old heritage teas grow really well.

Do you have any experience of growing ‘The Noisettes’ and which area of the World are you growing rose varieties?

Again, thank you for such a prompt reply.

PS - there does seem to be little in terms of repeat-flowering vigorous climbing varieties with violet flowers do you have any experience with Night Owl or Stormy Weather ( reading comments stating not really a climber?).
Reply #6 of 9 posted 13 FEB by jedmar
We have some Thé-Noisettes both in Switzerland (Zone 7b) and in Burgundy (Zone 7a). They grow better in the theoretically colder Zone 7a. 'Mme Bérard' which we transplanted from Switzerland to France exploded. The same also with 'Maréchal Niel'. It seems that not the minimum temperature, but the amount of total sunshine/heat received is more relevant. Lozère seems to be mostly in even harsher Zone 6a, so the microclima of your garden will be important
Reply #7 of 9 posted 13 FEB by PierreLaPierre
Thank you Jedmar and again quite insightful. Madame Bérard here is quite small but when it gives a flower or two I immediately forgive it’s disappointing size; it is in partial shade but gets sun all afternoon during the summer. Here I really don’t think the rose varieties lack sunlight it is situated in a sheltered position facing almost due south so from the end of March through to end of September there is sun all day.

How have you arrived at your geographical ‘zone’ which I understood was uniquely for The USA? Is this based on your latitude as here it equates to Northern California US? Thank you and I shall look out for a repeat climber that has violet coloured flowers.

Is that a photo of Maréchal Niel? Looks splendid and is on our wish list.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 13 FEB by jedmar
The photo is of Mme Berard. I am attaching the hardiness zone maps for France. Try 'Purple Skyliner' for repeating violet climber
Reply #9 of 9 posted 13 FEB by PierreLaPierre
Thank you for those maps I would like to be able to ‘zoom’ in on them. Though we are in La Lozère at around 600m the gardens are sheltered and it is considered to be on the edge of a Mediterranean climate zone. Of course with climate change and in a relatively short time of day 20 years I can actually notice how hot and dry the summer is becoming and how the winter is shortening with very little precipitation. During the winter of 21-22 it didn’t rain for over 3 months. We get some frosts and a little snow but rarely. We have already had 4-5 days of 20C and tomorrow will hit 20C again. All the rose varieties have new growth already and in December the fig trees had barely shorn their foliage and within a week there were fresh new shoots forming.

‘Purple Skyliner’ is a good suggestion and after I looked at the comments here this morning do wonder if it is a vigorous climber as a few suggest a shorter shrubby growth. I’m also going to consider Night Owl for the eglantine shaped flowers. I do also need to be patient with the odd variety that grows very slowly. Your help is much appreciated thank you.
most recent 8 JAN 23 SHOW ALL
Initial post 29 SEP 05 by Judith C.
Does anybody know anything about this rose? Thanks.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 6 OCT 05 by Veiti
It is very common here in Europe. It looks beautiful, blooms all season and needs no pruning. Its vigorous growth can be limited by use of the hedge trimmer. She (a rose must be a female!) does not like high temperature though.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 7 OCT 05 by Judith C.
Thank you, Veiti.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 8 JAN 23 by MiGreenThumb
Oh my no, if a rose is named after a man, it is just certainly not going to be a "she".
Reply #3 of 5 posted 7 MAR 07 by Dove Cochrane
It the white sport of Pink Grootendoorst, and has Dianthus (carnation) like petals. The blooms are very double in large clusters. It doesn't form hips like most rugosas.
I think it smells great and is a good repeater.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 8 JAN 23 by MiGreenThumb
Interesting! I've had the original sports' parent, F.J. Grootendorst and Pink Grootendorst. I find them to have virtually no scent. There'd be an awfully lot of angry customers if a nursery sold these roses as "strongly scented". (Heehee) Even 'Peace' is more strongly scented to me than any of the Grootendorsts, although I do find Fimbriata (the better fringed rugosa) sweetly scented.
most recent 14 NOV 22 SHOW ALL
Initial post 28 JUL 07 by Judith C.
Very vigorous. Tends to be cluster flowered, though very large blooms. Good as a cut flower.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 27 JUL 15 by Michael Garhart
How tall does it usually get?
Reply #2 of 4 posted 27 JUL 15 by Judith C.
As stipulated, with me, 5' / 150cm.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 27 JUL 15 by Michael Garhart
Thank you! All of my book descriptions conflicted on this :]
Reply #4 of 4 posted 14 NOV 22 by Chirotteri
Grafted and in warm climates even taller than that
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