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Initial post 18 JAN 12 by goncmg
Just have to vent here: WHAT IS THE APPEAL? Single pink roses are a dime a dozen, strong or not, delicate or dainty or not. I have heard the maroon/purple stamens/anthers are a hugely recessive trait which ostensibly sets this one somewhat apart, but even that being said, this one has surely appeared 50,000 times and more over in the seed bed of every professional and every amateur hybridizer........nothing about this rose appeals to me...........this is all personal. If single pinks ring your bell, well, this somehow has been your only choice for over 80 years with no end in sight................
Reply #1 of 6 posted 18 JAN 12 by Jon_in_Wessex
True - there is no accounting for good taste :)
Reply #2 of 6 posted 18 JAN 12 by Landperson
I find Dainty Bess to be breathtakingly, heartbreakingly beautiful.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 21 APR 15 by styrax
Well, it is a fabulous shade of pink, the stamens re gorgeous, and it is a magnificantly formed single, as singles go. That being said, I don't grow it :P

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Reply #5 of 6 posted 19 FEB by Palustris
I have and enjoy plenty of single roses, but Dainty Bess is not one of them. There is something about the color of the stamens that doesn't appeal to me. However, I have to say with respect that this rose is a survivor. I have spent decades rose rustling and searching for older roses within my community and DB is a very tough rose and was quite common until a decade or so ago when the the Knockout roses started appearing. Now most of the old roses like Dainty Bess and Aloha are gone replaced by Knockouts.
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Initial post 15 MAR 10 by Don H
The July 8, 1956 edition of The Saint Petersburg Times reported that the parentage of Sterling Silver was "a cross between the well known hybrid tea rose, Peace, and a grey blue-lavender rose called Morning Mist".,3780064
Reply #1 of 7 posted 15 MAR 10 by jedmar
Great reference!
Reply #2 of 7 posted 15 MAR 10 by Don H
Thanks. Maybe you could add it to the lineage for Sterling Silver?
Reply #3 of 7 posted 16 MAR 10 by jedmar
Reply #4 of 7 posted 17 JAN 12 by Rupert, Kim L.
The patent for Sterling Silver states ""The male parent was the variety Peace and an unnamed seedling as the female parent - the latter coming from a strain similar to Morning Mist." Therefore, the seed parent is NOT Morning Mist, but a related seedling." So, while Peace was involved, the other parent was, per the breeder's official claim, a possibly related seedling to Morning Mist, instead of Morning Mist itself.
Reply #6 of 7 posted 17 JAN 12 by Don H
Gladys FIsher's patent for Morning Mist says it was "a self pollinated seedling from one of my own unnamed seedlings" adding to murkiness.

Others have expressed doubts about the male parentage of Sterling Silver as well, pointing out to Peace as being a convenient sire for marketing purposes.

Perhaps the answers lay in the Conard Pyle archives at the University of Delaware. Those were the days of paper correspondence so there is a good chance of finding letters from Gladys.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 20 APR 20 by Michael Garhart
My personal opinion is that it is a seedling of Peace.

You can see Peace-like new growth in that photo, but also S.Silver has broader petals and decent form, which was rather difficult to get from most lineages at that time without using Peace. Also, Peace provides color disambiguation that silvery mauve often requires to be present.

The other half is obviously the mystery meat. I think its from an early pelargonidin types for several reasons. First, its a shorter rose than most HT. This happened in many early HT (Ophelia types, for example), but not as commonly during the 50s. Although this can be partially blamed on weak vigor due to selection bias of a rare color, it seems unlikely in this case, because the internode relativity seems to contradict such an idea. So it was probably both short and weak, rather than simply weak. I believed a dwarf variety is the culprit, such as those found in many early floribundas carrying pelargonidin. Second, the timing is perfect for the when such unusual silvery mauve colors were truly possible from these early pelargonidin types. Orangeade, as an example, has an extensive history with silvery mauves. 'Lavender Delight' is a prime example. Orange Sweetheart, for example, was introduced during the timeline when Morning Mist (a possible relation or sister) was being conceived. Last, to me it looks like the parentage of Morning Mist was deliberately concealed to hide the rose responsible for the color shift, only offering the idea that it was bred from roses that could typically make a florist rose at the time. Yet, the petal count and flower size is more like that of an early flori or flori hybrid.

If I had to guess, I would guess 'Fashion' was involved. I would guess a red florist rose derived from the roses she had listed and Fashion, and that the result was an odd-toned darker mauve.

I would also hazard a guess that 'Morning Mist' is a self of this unknown seedling, and that when she realized the outdoor vigor was even worse than the florist rose it was bred from, she crossed it with 'Peace' and got a silvery, better formed rendition.

Well, anyway, thats my best guess with how much little information is available.
Reply #8 of 7 posted 20 APR 20 by Rupert, Kim L.
Thanks, Michael. That is a very interesting and plausible supposition.
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Initial post 15 SEP 11 by Landperson
I have to add that a year later this rose is looking healthy and happy and shows no sign whatsoever of rust. I'm so glad I did not shovel prune her. I cut her back hard, gave her a single dose of Liqui-Cop, and she came back triumphant. I even propagated her for my sister's garden.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 7 AUG 18 by Michael Garhart
Its common in rust areas from roses descending heavily from Crimson Glory, Spartan, Fashion, and similar. 'Electron', for example, is very bad here, because the foliage turns completely orange in August.

In some cases, this is also common in some roses descending from North American briar types.
most recent 21 MAR 18 SHOW ALL
Initial post 19 MAR 12 by KRob
Available from - vintagegardens
Reply #1 of 2 posted 19 MAR 12 by Landperson
Thank you.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 MAR 18 by mtspace
As of spring 2018, available at Rogue Valley Roses.
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