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'Léontine Gervais' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 129-787
most recent 21 NOV HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 20 NOV by J.E.Leahy
I have just been to visit Patricia Routley's garden in Northcliffe WA and seen what I thought was Leontine Gervais growing . Patricia tells me she has August Gervais and what I have growing is August Gervais. I bought my magnificent plant from Bob Melville Snr from Mt Carmel in the Perth WA Hills in 1998 after seeing it growing on a now no longer existing trellis of ramblers as Leontine Gervais. I bought Paul Transon at the same time and it is growing vigorously through a plum tree. Francois Juranville , which I now know to be similar to Leontine Gervais, is growing vigorously here.Flower size is half that of August Gervais. I have checked several sources and although Beales and Thomas refer to the colour of the flower neither mentions the size. Rix mentions that both August and Leontine have large flowers but not how large. The flowers on my plant are up to 100mm when fully open. Colour is deep peach on the reverse and rich apricot on the open petals fading to almost white as the flowers age. The plant is vigorous and disease resistant. It is once flowering as a rule although I may get a few scattered blooms in late summer. One of my favourite roses .
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 21 NOV by jedmar
The easiest way to distinguish 'Auguste Gervais' from 'Léontine Gervais' is the size of the blooms. Patricia already in 2010 commented under 'August Gervais' that it has large blooms of 10-12 cm in diameter, while 'Léontine Gervais' is only 5 cm. Charles Quest-Ritson conforms this in his book "Climbing Roses of the World".
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 NOV by Margaret Furness
Thanks Jedmar. What came to me as May Queen and clearly wasn't, must have been Auguste Gervais. I moved it to Renmark and it's gone now.
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Discussion id : 68-417
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Initial post 25 NOV 12 by Margaret Furness
Would someone who has suitable photos of Leontine Gervais please check the colour of the stamens. I'm wondering if that's a distinguishing feature between Leontine and Auguste Gervais.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 21 NOV by J.E.Leahy
Hi Margaret I have just posted up some pictures of my Leontine Gervais after seeing what I thought was the same rose in Patricia Routley's garden. I am pretty sure mine is Auguste Gervais
Judy Leahy
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 NOV by Patricia Routley
Sorry Judy, you have that back to front. Your garden, Earthheal, is listing ‘Leontine Gervaise’. My garden is listing ‘Auguste Gervaise’. The provenance of my plant was Melville->. The Cidery, Bridgetown->. Aunt Myrtle’s Garden Nursery in 2000 and came to me as “Brownlow Hill Rambler”.
You might like to take a look at the ‘Auguste Gervaise’ Members Comments.
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Discussion id : 98-427
most recent 7 APR 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 7 APR 17 by Cà Berta
Catalogue Barbier & Cie 1931
page 214
Léontine Gervais – Gr. capucine mélangé carmin et saumon. Magnifique. Précoce.

in the same Catalogue
page 213
Auguste Gervaise – Gr. jaune cuivré et jaune saumoné. Tr. flor. Belle variété. (Certificat de Bagatelle 1919)
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Discussion id : 46-320
most recent 3 JUL 10 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 30 JUN 10 by Patricia Routley

I have had a search of the literature and the references are confirming that size of the bloom is a way to distinguish these two roses. - Patricia

Leontine Gervais
1911 “small in size”
1936 5cm
1967 “two inches”

Auguste Gervais
1919 “four to five inches”
1936 10-12 cm.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 3 JUL 10 by HMF Admin
Wonderful research !
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 3 JUL 10 by jedmar
The confusion seems to have been a very early one: The references of 1913 and 1933 speak of large flowers for Léontine Gervais. All LG I have seen nowadays have large flowers, so they must be Auguste Gervais. But where is the original LG?
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 3 JUL 10 by Margaret Furness
I saw two different roses labelled Leontine Gervais in New Zealand. The attached photo shows one with more petals and a button eye. Does anyone recognise it?
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