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Discussion id : 94-344
most recent 9 AUG 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 9 AUG 16 by Nicky94
Hello, HMF!

I am searching for an old, historical rose by the name of the Mrs. Florence G. Harding rose, to plant in the garden of the former President's Home in Ohio, as part of a historic restoration. The HMF page does not list it as commercially available, and I have contacted numerous historic gardens and even a few horticulture groups. I've learned that this rose, a Deep Pink Hybrid Tea is a sport of an even older rose, Columbia (1916, also on HMF). This rose is listed as commercially available, but the antique rose shop that sold it had its last rose perish in a drought, and no cuts of the rose took.

So my question is if anyone grows this rose- or the Mrs. Florence Harding rose, or knows otherwise where I could find it? Can you help me find it?

Thank you!
Reply #1 of 5 posted 9 AUG 16 by Jay-Jay
You mean Mrs. Warren G. Harding?
It's still in Europe in Sangerhausen / Europarosarium Sangerhausen.
You might contact them... but to get bud-wood to the States is very hard and Import Duties very costly!
Reply #2 of 5 posted 9 AUG 16 by Nicky94
Oops.. I do mean Mrs. Warren G. Harding, thank you. The "Florence Harding rose" is what we originally called it until we found more information on it. Based on the name, I'm guessing in Germany or Switzerland? The goal is to have the garden restored for for the centennial of the Harding Presidency, so luckily there is still time. It was also suggested to me that I check for the parent rose in Portland's International Rose Test Garden. Thank you for the response.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 9 AUG 16 by Jay-Jay
You're welcome!
Sangerhausen is in Germany. If You would like to have bud-wood... it's already a bit late in the season, but when You contact them and in the meantime make arrangements about importing it and who is gonna bud them on a rootstock for You, You might be lucky and get it next year's June or July.
Good luck!
PS: See for the Rosarium:
Reply #4 of 5 posted 9 AUG 16 by Nicky94
Thank you again; hopefully an arrangement can be made by next season. If I may ask, how did you know the rose is there? I've searched seemingly all over and not found a mention of this rose outside of this site. I also need to brush up on my German.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 9 AUG 16 by Jay-Jay
When You search for this rose under the garden tab and select all countries, this garden pops up.
If they really still grow this rose is not for sure, if the plant-list is not up-to-date.
Via-via, I could find out, if this rose still exists over there. I have a rose-friend, who knows one of the gardeners there.
If You are on Face-book, You might ask them Yourselves!
Discussion id : 86-095
most recent 20 JUN 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 20 JUN 15 by Jay-Jay
Who might know this unknown Rose. Delivered as 'The Apothecary Rose' and later on renamed falsely by the seller: 'Tuscany'.
Marnix and I doubt that and wonder which rose it might be.
The same Nursery also sells 'Gloire de Ducher', which might be a candidate as for their own photo of this rose in their catalogue.
Discussion id : 61-645
most recent 1 FEB 12 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 1 FEB 12 by Laura Hill
Saint Francis Hospice is located in The Hall, Havering-atte-Bower (England), where the Rev Joseph Pemberton and his family lived for many years. We would like to bring all 49 of the Pemberton roses home to The Hall and are seeking help to find Bernice, Bertha Turner, Dorina Neave, Helen Taylor, Iris Patricia Green, Joan, Mary Monro, Miriam, Naomi, Rachel, Ruth, Galatea, The Adjutant. If you can help, please get in touch. Thanks.
Discussion id : 58-923
most recent 28 NOV 11 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 27 NOV 11 by released2009
Hi I've be relentlessly looking for the Los Angeles Rose and have found this particular Rose is the Holy Grail of Roses. I have checked all Nurseries, gone to Auction and haven't been successful yet. Is there anyone that could let me know which Rose has simular characteristics or come close to resemblance. Please advice.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 27 NOV 11 by Rupert, Kim L.
Arthur, Los Angeles is a "Pernetiana", bred closely from Soliel d'Or, and as such, is extremely variable in color depending upon many factors. The hotter and brighter the weather, the paler the color. I grew it for years in a trio of California, Los Angeles and California Centennial. Budded, it is a very strong grower. Own root, not nearly as much.

There are many HT roses which can give similar effects as far as color is concerned. None of them are identical, but the following CAN provide you very similar appearance in color, depending upon the weather. Instead of shooting some names at you for you to find, I read Vintage Garden's availability list and these are all shown as currently available, right now, from Vintage. I attempted to do the same with Rogue Valley, but you must enter each name and check each size to determine if they can supply it. I'm sorry, but that requires more time than I can volunteer to answer your question. I'm sure some of these may also be available from Burlington Roses, but you would need to contact her directly to see if she can supply them.

I seriously doubt if you will find many, if any, of them in your local nurseries as they are not varieties the likes of Week's, J&P and Star currently produce. From Week's, you will probably find in your nurseries Sunset Celebration and Over the Moon. From Star, you may find Apricot Candy, Brandy, Glowing Peace and Mother of Pearl. You might also take a look at the old J&P HT, Medallion.

If you want something more unusual, these are the varieties you can buy from Vintage per their site. All can give the color appearance of Los Angeles due to their, and Los Angeles' great variability. I hope it gives you somewhere to find what you're looking for. Kim

Anne Watkins, Shot Silk, Bettina, Butterscotch (HT), Colossus, Devotion, Diamond Jubilee, Ethel Sanday, Fred Howard, Freddy Mercury, Golden Moments, Gruss an Coburg, Halloween, Invitation *, Just Joey, Lolita, Lucille Ball, Peach Blow and President Herbert Hoover.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 27 NOV 11 by Margaret Furness
It's very sad, to see how many cultivars have Vintage Gardens as the only listed supplier, and to know they'll have to close down.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 28 NOV 11 by Rupert, Kim L.
Arthur, I've received communication that you're seeking multiple, large, established plants of Los Angeles for your employer, an architect? The intention is to use them to recreate a period garden for a job your company is doing? Is this correct?

Unfortunately, you are going to fail. This can't be done. There is NO source for older roses like this of any real size. What you found in your shopping is pretty much all there IS to find. No large, commercial sources produce these older roses as there is no mass market for them. The "majors" produce the standards of the recent past which are well known by name, and their own new introductions they can charge higher prices to cover their royalty costs. The "secondary producers", the ones which supply Home Depot, Lowe's, etc., produce roses going back usually up to Queen Elizabeth (1955), but more often, much more recent introductions, and those, again, are roses which have reputations associated with their names and are easy for them to produce. A cultivar requiring more effort due to its inherent difficulty of propagation, such as Los Angeles, won't be produced by anyone but the smaller, specialty growers who will take the time to preserve them. The ONLY sources for Los Angeles, and 99.9% of older roses are going to be those already mentioned and none of them are going to produce them in very large quantities as it is extremely rare anyone wants more than one at a time. Because all of them deal primarily by mail, the plants are most often only liner to one gallon size. For something requiring dozens of a particular old rose, and especially if they are required in larger sizes, you would need to contract grow them well in advance of the planting need.

If this is specified by an architect, if you can, do yourselves a favor and educate him that procuring quantities of large, established specimen of older roses is no longer possible in the vast majority of instances. There simply is no market for them, making it impossible for anyone to have such things on hand when requested. He, or you, are going to have to change the specs for the job to use whatever you can find in the size and quantities you require, and that is NOT going to be a 1940 Hybrid Tea.

You also would have saved yourself, and your employer, five weeks of searching (from your initial post on 10/21) had you stated you required 30, established specimen of Los Angeles. We could have all told you they don't exist, choose something else. Good luck.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 28 NOV 11 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
BUT then again, you could have them custom budded.

Burlington Rose Nsy. is working with San Simeon State Monument to recreate the gardens there, budding original cultivars as needed.

It takes awhile but it can be done.

I budded 'Los Angeles' for Gregg Lowery of Vintage Gardens a few years ago. As Kim states, it grows quite well as a budded specimen.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 28 NOV 11 by Rupert, Kim L.
Precisely, Robert. "Contract grown", requiring between twelve and twenty-four months to produce a quantity of budded, planting size bushes for installation.
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