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8 days ago by
 Bug_girl
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This rose roots easily and grows well and vigorously on its own roots. My cutting is 2 years old and in bloom almost constantly during the season.
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#1 of 12 posted
7 days ago by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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Most Forty-niners are virused. I don't think I've ever seen a clean one. If you have a virus free clone you're very fortunate to find it.
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#2 of 12 posted
5 days ago by
Bug_girl
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Mine came from an 80 year old rose garden. Not saying 49er was there that long but another rose or two were. This also depends on if I've ID'd it correctly. Sure looks like 49er to me! I took the cutting and rooted it myself. If you have any suggestions for what else it might be, please advise.
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#3 of 12 posted
5 days ago by
Bug_girl
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And mine shown no sign of mosaic virus yet!
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#4 of 12 posted
5 days ago by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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The timing sounds about right to find a clean specimen of Forty-niner, and it certainly could have lived that long unmolested.
Your photos are still atypical.
We may have to think about it a bit and possibly bring in some of the more experienced OGR people in order to identify. We have to remember that many of the roses of this period were closely related.
Hopefully other will chime in.
I asked Kim to look at your photos and he agrees they are not typical.
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#5 of 12 posted
5 days ago by
Bug_girl
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Excellent! I would really like an ID that is accurate. I was trained in entomology and not roses, but I'm pretty good at ID if I have a good key. I will say that the heat definitely affects the coloration of my roses. There are times that this rose looks just like one I ID'd as Condessa de Sastago. (If anyone wants to take a whack at authenticating its identity, I'd love that too.) If you need any other pictures, a cutting, etc. please let me know. I have begun to love pernetianas and everything that looks like them. My ultimate goal is to help rescue roses, starting with those I find in my older neighborhood that are at risk of extinction due to no longer being in commercial propagation. Correctly identifying them is pretty important so I welcome all feedback. Can you tell me the parts that are "atypical" so I can apply that to my knowledge base? I would like to one day make a dichotomous key for IDing some of these roses so anyone could figure them out, but that's probably a bigger project than I could ever do.
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#6 of 12 posted
4 days ago by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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See pictures posted from SJHRG, or older illustrations for typical coloration
Yes, temperature affects color, but in my experience, to the degree illustrated in your photos.
Gregg Lowery is likely the best resource for identifying your variety.
Many of us have known this variety for along time.
The fact that it's easy to propagate without budding is another clue it's not correct.
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#7 of 12 posted
4 days ago by
Bug_girl
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I had ChatGPT analyze what I knew about it with some images and draft a "dossier" as it called it. It even gave it a cute found rouse name. I didn't know that 49er was hard to propagate. Thank you for the response. I can email a copy of the report or copy and paste here but it would be a little longish.
Thank you so much for the help!!!
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#8 of 12 posted
4 days ago by
Bug_girl
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I will move the pictures to a journal entry so they don't cause confusion with known 49er images.
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#9 of 12 posted
4 days ago by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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There's a good chance your rose is something more modern.
Don't be surprised if you never come up with a satisfactory answer. There are those that search for the true identity to roses they've found for years. In some cases they assign a new study name and enjoy it none the less.
You'll find many roses posted that way at HMF.
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#10 of 12 posted
yesterday by
Bug_girl
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Thank you for the help and advice. I'm going to keep looking!
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#11 of 12 posted
yesterday by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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Surprise!
I noted recently that Certified Roses will is offering 'Forty-niner' in their wholesale catalog for 2026. There's a chance you may find it at a box store near you. I don't know the source of their budwood but I know they have been working to do away with RMV infected propagation materials.
it's an odd, but welcome coincidence.
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#12 of 12 posted
today by
Bug_girl
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That's wonderful! Thank you for the heads up. Isnt someone using a heat method to kill the virus(es)? In not sure where I saw it. I am still working on a list of potentials for all my unknown roses. Just decided my Sexy Rexy from a box store isn't as advertised. No clue what it is but it has pink stamens. I need to grow it up more.
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today by
HubertG
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Such unusual petal markings, it's almost like the veining you see in marble. I don't think I've seen anything similar in another rose. Very nice!
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today by
Banshee
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This photo looks so much like my found rose from a cellar hole in Deerfield NH. I brought a cutting to Nashua rosarian Mike Lowe. He said it had three names, The Loyalist, named for Scottish loyalists who brought it to Canada, Banshee for its suckering growth habit, and American Hybrid. I've never seen any references to this third name. I didn't see any of the three in his 2002 catalog.
I asked High Country Roses for an opinion and they said, not Banshee. However, there is some disagreement about whether HCR Banshee is actually Banshee. This rose has a sprawling habit and suckers quite readily. I believe it migrated from another bed across the path. Blooms are initially compact but quickly become loose. Fragrance is light.
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today by
Banshee
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This looks like the foliage of the Banshee, High Country I just planted in my Zone 6a garden in Candia NH. It hasn't bloomed yet. However, the foliage in other member photos looks entirely different. See my response to yesaeyesa. That photo looks like my Loyalist (I'm calling it that for now, although Mike Lowe said one of its three names was Banshee.) I have to look at his old catalog to see if there's any info. I'm amazed at the volume of discussion this rose has generated.
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