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'Angel Face' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 29-887
most recent 18 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 20 AUG 08 by Patricia Lester
I would like to know how Angel face roses go to seed? And what I need to do after that?
And when is the best time to do it?
Reply #1 of 4 posted 21 AUG 08 by Margaret Furness
If you plant seeds of a rose (other than a species rose with no other varieties within pollinating distance), you won't get the same variety from the seeds. If you want more Angel Face from your plant, you'll need to grow it from cuttings (slips).
In general; rose hips can be collected when they are ripe, shown by a change in colour. The outer part contains a growth inhibitor, so it's best to remove the seeds from inside it. They do better with a cold winter, so if you can't provide that, you may want to put them in the vegetable crisper of your fridge for a month or two. One option is to put them in a plastic lunch box (with lid), with seeds arranged on a damp sponge (can fit several layers in the box). The seeds can be planted about 1cm down in sandy or seed-raising potting mix (no fertiliser) in late winter. A broccoli box is traditional (here) but not obligatory! Don't use heat. A local rose society would be able to advise you, especially about whether fungicides are needed, how often you'll need to water, and when to start feeding the plantlets. In general, the ones that are going to be repeat-flowerers should flower in early summer.
(I'm basing my comments on zone 9, where we'd put the box in filtered sun/shade).
Reply #2 of 4 posted 21 AUG 08 by Patricia Lester
Hello Margert,
Thanks for all the information that you sent to me.
GodBless you always,Pat
Reply #3 of 4 posted 18 APR by bonbon
Thanks Margaret
There is some very good suggestions in your post.
They are most helpful.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 18 APR by Margaret Furness
Thank you. These days I'd plant in July. Repeat-flowerers should flower by Christmas. (Southern hemisphere).
See Warren Millington's article on rose breeding, in the HRIA Journal of spring 2011, p. 35.
Discussion id : 109-757
most recent 2 APR 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 2 APR 18 by Nola Z5a
Heirloom Roses lists it as zone 5.
Discussion id : 71-249
most recent 24 MAY 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 APR 13 by Gascogne
I love this was a donation by a neighbor...and at the time, I was like, "no thanks...I do not like mauve" and did not want a spindly looking thing from a bigbox store. I put it in a less than ideal spot in partial shade. It has been a superior EVERY way....and gotten quite big. Yes, a touch of BSpot every now and then, but it is vigourous, shade , heat and cold tolerant, fabulously fragrant,, great and all of this along with excellent form. So Great, I bought another, as well as it's child, Royal Amethyst.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 23 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5b
Thank you for the info. about partial shade. My last Angel Face was in full-sun, and it had much less petals.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 23 MAY 17 by Lavenderlace
Straw, I've read a lot of reports that AF can take shade from all across the country. I put all of mine in full sun though because I heard so much about BS and thought that it might help. So far, so good in fast draining sandy soil.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 24 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5b
Lavenderlace: The ones with blackspot reputation: Heirloom, Angel Face, Barbra Streisand do best in FAST draining alkaline soil. My Heirloom (grafted on Dr.Huey) is 100% healthy in a fast-draining loamy mix of clay & humus (next to the tree), so it never get water-logged, even if we get tons of rain. I spent 1 hour digging that hole down past 2 feet, to make sure water can drain fast.

If there's a bed of rocks, or dense clay at the bottom to block drainage, the BS-fest roses won't like it. I used husband's electrical drill to punch at least a dozen holes in the pot for Barbra Streisand, so far zero blackspot in this week-long rain. In contrast, Blue girl (grafted-on-Dr.Huey) needs more moisture .. I thought it died this winter, but after tons of rain, it sprout healthy canes. Waterhogs like Bluegirl prefer a bed of dense clay at bottom to retain water, same with French Meilland, or Romantica roses.

There's a spot in my garden with thick & sticky dense clay at bottom. I planted a Knock-out (grafted on Dr.Huey) and it HATED that, lost lowest leaves due to poor-drainage. So I planted OWN-ROOT French Meilland rose, Sweet Promise (with dark green & glossy foliage) .. it loves that dense clay & wet spot, leaves became so shiny .. but I had to keep the pH near 8. Anything standing in acidic rain water will break out in blackspot, so I constantly limed that wet spot to keep Sweet Promise healthy. I did a bunch of experiments in the vase with cut flowers: Pink Peace leaves broke out in blackspot if soaked in a vase of acidic rain water for a few days, but if I put pea-gravel or use my alkaline tap water (pH 9), leaves stay healthy, even if the stems are in the vase for a few days.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 24 MAY 17 by Lavenderlace
I love to hear about your experiments, THANK YOU Straw!
Discussion id : 81-086
most recent 23 MAY 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 16 OCT 14 by steve fritz
Interesting rose, Mine grew to about 4 foot high and 4 feet tall in eastern North Carolina. The fragrance was strong and pervasive, but many complained it smelled like strong laundry detergent. This was the same complaint I got about the fragrance of White Dawn.

The rose was a black spot magnet. And the few seeds I attained from its breeding were unimpressive. However it substance and the strength of its perfume keep bringing it to our attention.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5b
Agree about the scent, Barbra Streisand has a better scent than Angel Face, and much more vigorous as own-root. Angel Face was really tiny as own-root in my zone 5a, and didn't survive its 1st winter. Grafted Angel Face was more vigorous (I grew both).
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