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'La Biche' rose Reviews & Comments
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I just uploaded some photos of 'La Biche' from the Noisette Project bed at Edisto Gardens in Orangeburg, SC. I don't know the provenance of this plant, but I'll point out that its leaves are not glossy, as stated on the description page. I did check the references, though, and found no early mentions of glossy foliage, so perhaps someone else can say whether or not glossy foliage should be considered a definitive trait?
There are referrals to Mrs Keay's description of 'La Biche'; did I miss a direct quote from her in the references section? I don't have her book, so would be glad to read her description.
Thanks,
Virginia
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This reference is now added, Virginia.
Patricia
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Thank you very much for adding her description. I can see that I need to seek out a copy of her book.
Virginia
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Would those who grow this rose (the noisette, not the Tea sold under this name) please have a look at the photos of the "Yallum Park Cream" foundling, for comparison.
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#1 of 6 posted
12 SEP 10 by
 jedmar
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Margaret, there are similarities, but I do not believe they are identical. I have posted 2 additional photos from today to 'La Biche' (from Loubert). Its foliage is much longer, although the leaf I have photographed is not a full-grown example. The buds of YPC seem to be shaded a uniform salmon-pink, while LB's are white, with a strawberry-red blush where exposed to sun. Also, the form of the bloom and petals seems different.
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Thank you. The roses sold as la Biche in Australia are generally (probably) Mlle de Sombreuil and a multiflora rambler; we're not sure there's a real one still here to compare with.
Did you see the scan done in winter? The leaves are quite long.
If you have any suggestions for an ID for YPC, please let us know!
Margaret
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#3 of 6 posted
12 SEP 10 by
jedmar
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I have been comparing MdS with LB and other candidates for 3 years now. MDS and LB have a lot of similarities, but our MdS from Vintage has not shown any tendency to climb (yet) and is generally more petite. I have posted two more photos of foliage for comparison of size and colour. MDS here has the same bud colour as LB, so no uniform salmon-pink shade as those of Yallum Park Cream.
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#4 of 6 posted
12 SEP 10 by
jedmar
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Margaret, if you use the advance search function for Tea Cl./Tea Noisette/Noisette - white - double, you will get 7 pages of roses (only). You could compare these to what was imported into Australia. It is difficult to make a guess from here, check 'Bouquet Tout Fait' and 'Joseph Bernacchi'.
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Thank you, that will keep me busy for a while!
The Vintage guys thought that one of Pat T's foundling's ("Carlsruhe Maria Bruhn") was Mlle de Sombreuil. At times it has distinctive flashes of red on the outside of the bud (which would fit with the cup of blood story). It hasn't behaved as a climber for us, either.
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#5 of 6 posted
12 SEP 10 by
Cass
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I posted a suggestion: Le Pactole?
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7 JUL 10 by
kev
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this rose an excellent cut flower rose in its hey day and still is a very good one today.In particular this is so as it is extremely fragrant.So much so that in the book,'FOR THE LOVE OF A ROSE',the author states that it was one that was used in southern France for this purpose.Also the ladies of the manors bought it for floral work in their mansions.
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The references reiterate your comment on the fragrance. (I think I need to get this rose.) Kev, are you talking of the century-old clone that was given to Judyth McLeod at Honeysuckle Cottage prior to 1986.
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