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'Burgundy Ice' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 66-316
most recent 2 MAY 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 10 AUG 12 by Anita silicon valley
Is it fragrant? How long does it last in the vase?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 30 APR 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
KBW in Pakistan grows this in his hot weather (up to 113 F). He stated it's fragrant.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 30 APR 17 by Andrew from Dolton
I get hardly any fragrance from 'Iceburg' or 'Burgandy Ice' but them my highest temperature last summer was only 26 degrees centigrade.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 2 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Certain roses are more fragrant at hot temp, like Double Delight and Chrysler Imperial. In cold weather, those scents went downhill. In contrast, Austin roses smell best at cool temp. In hot temp, my Austin Scepter'd Isle smells like dirty-socks, and Radio Times & Wise Portia lose 1/2 of its scent. But the French Romantica roses are consistently fragrant regardless of temp.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 2 MAY 17 by Lavenderlace
Very good news that DD and CI smell the best in heat. We have no shortage of that here!
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Discussion id : 81-601
most recent 11 NOV 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 9 NOV 14 by Darrell
'Burgundy Iceberg' was discovered by Lilia Weatherly (not Edgar Norman Swane who introduced it). Please see Combined Rose List 2014 and The Journal of Heritage Roses in Australia, vol.35, autumn 3013, page 18 and page 21.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 9 NOV 14 by Patricia Routley
The Heritage Roses in Australia reference you mentioned contained Lilia's obituary wherein someone else was attributing 'Burgundy Iceberg' to her.

Please see the Australian Patent wherein it says
Origin and Breeding Spontaneous mutation: from ‘Brilliant Pink Iceberg’. A. Mutation took place at Swane’s Nursery, Dural, NSW………… Breeders: Prophyl Pty Ltd, Austins Ferry, TAS and Swane's Nurseries Australia Pty Limited, Dural, NSW.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 11 NOV 14 by Darrell
Thank you, Patricia. I stand corrected and very much appreciate it.
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Discussion id : 20-495
most recent 19 SEP 14 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 24 JUL 07 by Michelle_CO
Not a pretty rose at all in my garden. The blooms are small, ugly, and bright magenta. Iceberg is a standout, I had higher expectations of Burgundy Iceberg.
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 3 SEP 07 by Beth Dewsbery
A primary issue with this rose is finding the right colour. It will range from a paler pinky shade, often having an attractive "water-colour" effect of dark pink/burgundy painted on white, through magenta as you have experienced, into the burgundy-red & then into a stunning deep royal purple (my favourite). You have to only buy when it is in bloom to ensure that you are getting the shade of "burgundy" that you want. I had the ultimate deep rich tone on a standard until a freak wind gust caught it. Unbeknownst to me, the top tie had become undone & the whole wonderful candelabra broke off below the graft. I almost cried, as that shade is so hard to come by.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 11 MAY 12 by Kit
The color on 'Burgundy Iceberg' seems to vary a lot with temperature & UV - mine are generally deep rich purple from late October to mid-July, but are indeed a very bright almost fluorescent magenta from August to October, and intermittantly in the Spring during high UV days (a potted shrub moved into the shade doesn't turn magenta). All the flowers on the shrub can turn that magenta in less than a day - I need to take a before and after picture to post. In the spring, the ones that have changed color remain magenta, but new buds will open purple again
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 17 SEP 14 by Puns 'n' Roses
Well, you have to take into account that Burgundy Ice is a sport of a sport of a sport, originating in a pure white rose. A stunning fact in itself. So, one probably shouldn't be too surprised when the bloom colour recurs in some way to the former sport's colours (brilliant pink and pink, respectively).
I bought my Burgundy Ice when in bloom, and her blooms are of the darkest rich burgundy purple, their luminosity enhanced even more by the near-black stamens. It's so beautiful it nearly brings me to tears.
You should not hesitate to replace your specimen with another Burgundy Ice. When she shows her true colour, I guarantee you will fall in love with her.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 17 SEP 14 by Kit
Tante Rosa . . .

It's not a question of resporting - it's the response of the color producing cells to ultraviolet light. In Michelle's high altitude Colorado garden, she can expect to get the magenta color consistently, and sadly may go years without ever seeing a burgundy blossom. Her season is short and marked by intense UV.

My problem with this rose is leaf senility - we have a 48 week growing season here, but the leaves last no more than 10 or 11 weeks in direct sunlight, so from June to January (dormant season here is February) I'm plucking off dying leaves every few weeks.

If one doesn't mind the orange with purple effect, it does well in the dappled shade of a pomegranate or other such open tree with a very short leafless season - our pomegranates get new leaves within 3 to 7 weeks of defoliating, Under one, leaves on Burgundy Iceberg can last up to 5 months.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 18 SEP 14 by Puns 'n' Roses
This is very interesting. Another factor to consider when assessing rose colour.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 18 SEP 14 by Kit
Remember, there is no gene that codes for white pigment - white roses are pigmented with reds (most commonly) or purples but have their color production inhibited.

Here, Iceberg (as do other 'white' roses) becomes mottled with pink after a few days of intense sunlight, the result of the inhibitors breaking down and the newly liberated chromatophores pumping out a little bit of color at the very tail end of their lives.

Burgundy Iceberg has chromataphores for both red and purple, as did Iceberg. When the red inhibitor failed to activate, Pink Iceberg was born, the additional failure of the purple inhibitor created Burgundy Iceberg, expressing pigments that were coded for all along.

The majority of my deeper purple roses (e.g. Ebb Tide, Violetta, Diamond Eyes) have a more magenta expression under hot and high UV conditions,
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 18 SEP 14 by Kit
I uploaded some pictures taken this morning of magenta shifted roses - see Diamond Eyes, Midnight Blue, Night Owl & Rhapsody in Blue.
The first three generally are deep purple, the last a purplish steely blue.
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 19 SEP 14 by Puns 'n' Roses
Thank you so much! I know Rhapsody in Blue (neighbours have it), so it's stunning to see it in that colour. In our climate, it's cold blueish purple.
Also, thanks for the explanation of white in roses. Would the oppression of red also explain why white roses get pink spots after the rain? Because these freckles have always been a mystery to me. Are there white roses them that don't get them? I don't mind , just curious. And you seem to know a lot *smiles*
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Discussion id : 79-197
most recent 26 JUN 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 26 JUN 14 by Silvestris
One of the weakest plants in my garden - I live on Gotland, Sweden (equivalent to zone 7, I think) and this is one of the first roses I planted when I moved to this house three years ago. While it comes back and blooms obediently every year, the plant itself is a trainwreck - the blackspot shows up on the very first leaves and stubbornly refuses to be treated, it'll drop all foliage and the cane growth is lanky and weak. Compared to all the other roses in the border it's definitely the weakest one, and every spring that it does come back for another round I'm pleasantly surprised.
The color is wonderful, though, I really do wish it'd do better in my garden.
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