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'Sparrieshoop' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 116-579
most recent 5 MAY 19 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 5 MAY 19 by Plazbo
Just an update of previous comments by me.

Sets seed easily, large hips with a lot of seed, germination rate good. Will be interesting to see if the good qualities pass on readily.

-edit- 12 Oct

The seedlings have universally had poor root systems and fail to thrive, the vast majority died, cuddling is likely required.
Discussion id : 113-620
most recent 20 OCT 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 19 OCT 18 by Plazbo
This is probably a good example demonstrating that fragrance and thin petals aren't linked, the petals on this are quite thick and fragrant.

Kind of surprised by the lack of offspring, possibly an indication of low fertility.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 19 OCT 18 by Patricia Routley
HelpMeFind lists seven descendants of ‘Sparrieshoop’.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 20 OCT 18 by Plazbo
I know, I meant given it's been around since 1953 it seems like a very low number given it's positive attributes are attributes often lacking in other roses.
Discussion id : 24-574
most recent 11 OCT 12 SHOW ALL
Initial post 6 MAR 08 by bob diller
Every rose book that mentions this rose just raves over it. This is the only Kordes rose that seems to refuse to grow for me. I'm in Richmond VA in zone 7, and I'm starting to think I just need to get it from a different source and plant it again somewhere else, as it keeps suffering cane dieback where I have it. Dieback is so bad the rose is almost gone and every rose nearby is doing just fine.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 17 AUG 08 by Pat W
Bob, I had the same problem with mine. Would any one know with so much rugosa in it's background, maybe Sparrieshoop resents being sprayed. I have around 300 roses, yes there are some that fail but I never thought I would have trouble with Sparrieshoop.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 17 AUG 08 by bob diller
I have an organic garden, so Sparrieshoop was never sprayed with anything.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 11 OCT 12 by mtspace
I agree that it seems like this rose should be the sort of thing you plop in the ground and it grows quickly and without much fuss. I believe you'll find it doesn't have much rugosa background, but it does have much rubiginosa (aka eglantine) heritage. I note that the home of its parent Magnifica is Germany which would be a cool summer place. So is England, home of grandparent Lucy Ashton. Maybe this rose covets a bit of pm shade and plenty of mulch to keep the soil cool and moist. Just a thought.
Discussion id : 23-321
most recent 10 JAN 08 SHOW ALL
Initial post 2 JAN 08 by PaulG
Two sources that I have list the seed parent of Sparrieshoop as Magnifica (rubiginosa, Hesse, 1916) and not Magnifica (Rugosa, Van Fleet, 1905). This would make sense sinse Kordes used the former often and as far as I know did use the latter in his breeding.

Reply #1 of 3 posted 2 JAN 08 by Cass
Oops! When homonyms are used for rose names, parentage can be confused! Modern Roses lists parentage this way:

(Poulsen's Pink x Siren) x (Johannes Böttner x Rosa rubiginosa magnifica)

I assume the last cultivar is Rosa rubiginosa 'Magnifica' Hesse? I need to know more about this rose, whether it is a species selection or a hybrid. Looks like HMF needs to be corrected!

Paul, considering how different this parentage is from Modern Roses 10, would you please give your references? Is the seed parent as shown on HMF or as in Modern Roses 12?

Thanks so much for the help.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 9 JAN 08 by Unregistered Guest
I’m sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner. My e-mail service has trouble knowing who is friend and who is foe.

I don’t have Modern Roses 10, but I do have Modern Roses 9. It lists the parentage like you have it here on HMF (Baby Chateau x Else Poulsen) x Magnifica. It doesn’t specify if it is the Hesse clone or the Van Fleet clone.
“Best Rose Guide” by Phillips and Rix states: “Its parentage is a hybrid of the Polyantha Baby Chateau and Else Poulsen, crossed with the Rubignosa Hybrid Magnifica”.
“The American Rose Society encyclopedia of Roses” lists the parentage as (Baby Chateau x Else Poulsen) x Magnifica. And states “Sparrieshoop is one of Kordes hybrids from the sweetbriar Rosa rubignosa”

The ARS encyclopedia of Roses states: “Magnifica is an open pollinated seedling of Lucy Ashton, one of Lord Penzance’s Hybrid SweetBriars.”
I know that it is one of the parents of ‘Josef Rothmund’ which is the plant that Wilhelm Kordes sent to Dr Griffith Buck to help him get his breeding program started. A good portion of Buck’s roses have Magnifica in them thru Josef Rothmund.

I think you are doing a wonderful job with this website! I use it all them time and find it very helpful and informative.

Reply #3 of 3 posted 10 JAN 08 by Cass
Thanks, Paul. Let's see if we can track down the source of this newer parentage shown in MR 12.

(Poulsen's Pink x Siren) x (Johannes Böttner x Rosa rubiginosa magnifica)
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