'RADnov' rose reviews and comments

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Discussion id : 145-058 most recent 23 MAY 23 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 23 MAY 23 by HMF supporting member

Kim W Florida 10b Humid

Available from - High Country Roses highcountryroses.com	REPLY

Discussion id : 128-478 most recent 16 JUL 21 SHOW ALL

Initial post 12 JUL 21 by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

Being an induced mutation has made this rose an interesting breeder. It DEFINITELY breeds differently than Double Knock Out. First, there is no purple tinting in the seedlings. Second, the seedlings are typically shorter. Third, the dominant color is off-white. Last, and more importantly, about 25% of the seedlings do this:

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The other parent was a miniature canina hybrid of mine, which does not do this strange growth. I have many other seedlings from Bubble Double that do this. It is possible this is from missing genetics from the radiation that shows up in various hybrids. This is not herbicide or virus. This is a common phenomenon in some seedlings, especially if there is miniature or wichurana genetics present.

Reply #1 of 4 posted 12 JUL 21 by HMF supporting member

HubertG

Reply #4 of 4 posted 16 JUL 21 by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

Yeah, its more interesting than appealing for sure, Hubert.

I think the real take home, at least for breeders, is that some mutations and sports do matter in breeding. Often, there is no difference or no significant difference, but there are occasional ones that do matter. Another one that makes a difference is Climbing Tropicana, which produced Orange Velvet. I have never seen a rose like Orange Velvet before it, and I probably won't. It was like a mammoth HT 12' into the sky, with absolutely no bending and 3" diameter cane bases.

Reply #2 of 4 posted 12 JUL 21 by HMF supporting member

Robert Neil Rippetoe

Reply #3 of 4 posted 12 JUL 21 by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

Yeah, it really does. As the foliage matures, however, it develops out. The under-foliage is completely developed, but it starts out like the new foliage. Its absolute bizarre. In another seedling, the foliage is normal but the internodes vary widely within a single stem, and the bloom is normal. It looks very strange.	REPLY

Discussion id : 127-306 most recent 2 MAY 21 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 2 MAY 21 by HMF supporting member

ParisRoseLady

As of May 1, 2021, Stargazer Perennials is selling this rose on Amazon, although it's not listed on it's main website (sometimes they market a particular variety through Amazon only, weird). Anyway, it's a chance to snap up a plant before they sell out... Stargazer sells healthy own root bands that have done very well for me in my garden.	REPLY

Discussion id : 107-595 most recent 28 JAN 18 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 26 JAN 18 by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

Some Southern nurseries are referring to this rose as 'Georgia Peach' rose. There are several nurseries do this. After looking at many photos, it describes this rose and not Double Pink Knock Out, to which it is similar. Here are two examples: www.wilsonbrosgardens.com/Georgia-Peach-Shrub-Rose.html www.gardenality.com/Articles/851/Plants/Roses/The-Georgia-Peach-Rose/default.html	REPLY

Reply #1 of 10 posted 26 JAN 18 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Wilson Bros Gardens say: The Georgia Peach™ Shrub Rose was discovered by local gardener Beth Steele in McDonough, Georgia in 2010, and introduced by yours truly in 2012.

Gardenality say: In Fall of 2010, when Georgia resident and gardener Beth Steele showed the Wilson brothers a double flowering, peachy-pink colored ever-blooming shrub rose, and how it was just as disease resistant as any of the other disease-free shrub roses she grows in her garden, they became very excited. The brothers immediately took a cutting from the rose to a grower friend of theirs and by spring of 2011 they planted the first rooted cutting of the Georgia Peach™ Rose in their trial garden

The Patent (application Sep 29, 2010) for 'Bubble Double' RADnov say: A radiation-induced mutation of Radtkopink (Pink Double Knock Out)

Isn't Fall in Georgia in September?
What am I not seeing?

....later edit. Then there is this previous Comment from Mike Nova :
Bubble Double (Radnov) rose was bred by Michael Dobres of NovaFlora Inc

Reply #2 of 10 posted 27 JAN 18 by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

Good find! Same color type.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 10 posted 27 JAN 18 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

So Bubble Double (radiation-induced mutation) and "Georgia Peach" (spontaneous mutation) are different roses.	REPLY

Reply #4 of 10 posted 27 JAN 18 by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

In reference, yes. Personally, I'll assume they are being ethically honest, but I have reservations. I have seen some fairly unethical practices in wholesale, and some of them hit under the "it's not the same plant, honest *wink*" banner, as a way to get around paying royalties. It's a practice you can see from Netherland plugs into the US, as a patented plant re-named. The nursery can say, "It was sold to us as X, Y, or Z."

In lower tier retail nurseries, I often see all flower carpet varieties, and some Meidilands re-named as generic or sometimes with cutesy names. I see this in miniatures, as well, and sometimes with blatant fabrications. The most common one I see are a few of Kordes red groundcovers labeled as "Red Banks Rose". Some patented at the time seen, and some not.

Reply #5 of 10 posted 27 JAN 18 by Andrew from Dolton

Some of the names and varieties of plants (not just roses), sold by a well know Dutch wholesale nursery in the U.K. are distinctly sketchy. Sometimes they use the same rose picture tinted a different improbable colour for different varieties, I can remember, years back, 'Blue Moon' being shown as an Oxford blue colour. Two years ago I ordered ten 'Mr Bluebird' and the 'Pixie Rose' and received a 1.2m double pale pink and Rosa glauca!

Reply #6 of 10 posted 27 JAN 18 by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

It's a byproduct of the instability of the nursery trade. It's a feast or famine industry, that goes through major cycles. During ups, non-nurserymen are known to buy up, fleece, and sell, sell, sell. Well, there are other scenarios, too, but it happens, sadly. Netherlands just happens to get into that mix, because they are the port of ports of the nursery and floral trade wholesale.	REPLY

Reply #7 of 10 posted 27 JAN 18 by Andrew from Dolton

It is annoying though. There is enough mixing and muddling of plant varieties without people deliberately doing so. Just looking through catalogues, which are worse than the websites makes my blood boil. https://www.dutchbulbs.co.uk/c-fd/miniaturepatio.htm	REPLY

Reply #8 of 10 posted 27 JAN 18 by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

I agree! I used to do inventory for these things. It's a nightmare. I used to lecture the workers on making sure the end product is something worth having.	REPLY

Reply #9 of 10 posted 27 JAN 18 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Temporarily, I've entered 'Georgia Peach' as a separate rose; put a Note on both that page and on the 'Bubble Double' page; and emailed Wilson Bros for any more information.	REPLY

Reply #10 of 10 posted 28 JAN 18 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Wilson Bros. have very quickly and very nicely replied. I will share their email in the "Georgia Peach" file.	REPLY