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'Gustav Grünerwald' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 87-679
most recent 4 SEP 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 4 SEP 15 by sam w
Mine from Vintage Gardens is perpetually on the verge of giving up the ghost. It suffers a lot of spontaneous dying back and would probably benefit from being budded.
Discussion id : 30-390
most recent 18 SEP 08 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 17 SEP 08 by Patricia Routley
Re: Habit: Thornless (or almost)

Whilst noting the 1901 reference [smooth wood, few prickles] reference, I believe this rose may have had prickles because:

(a) the 1905 [thorns] reference and
(b) Brent Dickerson’s ‘The Old Rose Advisor’ [prickly] plate 265; and
(c) his [prickly] plate 240 of a {grand]parent ‘Mme. Caroline Testout’

Does anyone have any more early references or pictures, which talk of, or show the wood and thorns? The more I type on this rose, the more I believe the “Bishop’s Lodge Riverina Sunset” could well be ‘Gustav Grunerwald’. And the more I type, the more Alister Clark is pleading in my ear to save and recognise the parent of his ‘Sunny South’.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 17 SEP 08 by jedmar
I found a black & white drawing in Robert Betten's "Die Rose". Unfortunately, my scanner is still striking. However, there are definitely prickles shown on the stem, in average about one per leaf. Apparently, this counted as "few prickles". The prickles are slightly hooked, with a wider base, but not as prominent as those on 'Bishop's Lodge Riverina Sunset'.

The leaves have 5 leaflets, the stipules longish ears and the sepals are long and foliaceous.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 17 SEP 08 by Patricia Routley
Scanners. Pffft. For a while I completely lost control of mine and it just sat there poking its tray tongue at me. Gardeners are not really compatible with technology, but we try, we try. If I had aimed the camera properly, I would have included the sepals in one of my pictures of “Bishop’s Lodge Riverina Sunset” What we need in that file is more distinguishing feature pictures from other Aussies this season. (and I’ll put a copy of this correspondence in that file). I would love to see the drawing one day Jedmar. Which edition
(or date) of “Die Rose”? - and thank you.

Does anybody know the provenance of the ‘Gustav Grunerwald’ from the Heritage Rose Garden in California?
Reply #3 of 3 posted 18 SEP 08 by jedmar
It is the 1919 edition. I will see whether I can get something on temporarily with my camera.

It is done. Not perfect, but should do for a while.
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